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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:14 AM
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Whats the latest on strong axles?

Due to the engine/trans/tc and underdrive Im installing, I really need to start thinking about what axles to run.

I was thinking some custom diamond axle housings with currie high 9" diffs, but does anyone think something like KAM axles, or any other LR based ones will handle a 450hp/450tq 6.2 chevy?

So throw out your suggestions Im open!

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:40 AM
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A rear Salsbury with upgraded shafts will handle that. A front Toyota conversion might handle that depending on tire size.

If you don't care about stock width and rover bolt pattern, there are a million options.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Didnt Ashcroft come out with some superduper axle?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:26 PM
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I was just reading about the ashcroft ones last night.
They tube the axles for strength, use some Dana 60 parts and mostly their own.

The only issue there is my thinking if I break something, where do I source parts?

I am running 35" tires now, "might" go to 37's later

But I will drive this from FL to UT, CO etc and back so I need it reliable and strong.
I am careful though as I never broke even the stock axles with 35's, but the engine wasnt the power of this new one.

Does anyone know what companies have already made axles for D90s so I dont have to start from stratch?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:33 PM
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The limiting factor will not be the axles, it will be the differentials.

If you want to keep the rover housings and wheels, sals rear and toy pumpkin front with upgraded shafts in both is the best ticket or toy pumpkin in both.

Note I run 32in tires now so take it fwiw.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:39 PM
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Hybrid 9-60's front and rear with the HD CV's up front in place of U-joints is what you want to use.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:43 PM
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Once you 'fix' the diffs (Locker or LSD) and shafts (HD shafts), your next issue is the CVs. This is where the rover axle finally starts to run out of options because there is no easy fix for this bit. There are upgraded aftermarket parts available but they are still considered weak in comparison to other types of axles.

With a 97 its harder still because you need the ABS type CVs for the Rough Road system (if its still fitted).
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:08 PM
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What about ENV axles or Dana 60's which are Salisbury axles?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:56 PM
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I wouldn't suggest env axles as I ran them for a few years and while they are super stout forget getting parts or upgrading them with a locker or disc breaks. That said I have a set id be happy to sell you! Lol
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:38 PM
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THESE...from Ashcroft

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co...&productId=336
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I am very interested in what you find as I have gone through several CV's and axles (stock) in the front of my truck in the past year. I am running 34" SSR's with ARB's front and rear. FWIW, I put a set of Ashcroft axles in the rear and have had no issues. The fronts are very pricey and like others said, I assume HD front axles still have CV weakness...
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:29 PM
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Man that thing looks like you could nuke it! Is anyone running with this?
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Gigglepin I think
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Old April 24th, 2013, 07:47 AM
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Gigglepin I think
Yes, they are running the force 9 axles. The set gigglepin had on their truck was an early production set. Ashcroft beefed up a couple of things from feedback on the early prototypes - based on chatter on pirate and AULRO during and after KOH. One of those things being the bearing swivel plates at the top where gigglepin had their knuckle fail in qualifying. I believe they also re-worked the gearset for the rear end to mesh better in a high pinion application. Thats one of the other places that gigglepin had problems as their setup was using the original high-9 gearset, not the later ashcroft modded r&p to suit running in a HP config.

It's a neat setup, having seen it broken down to bits on the gigglepin truck at KOH this year.
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Where would the Dana 80 fit into this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_80
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Corp 14 bolt is stronger.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 10:36 AM
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Ashcroft have stopped making them at this time... I believe high manufacturing time for very small market and a very full production schedule was the decider rather than any technical reasons, maybe Dave Ashcroft will chip in here.

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Yes, they are running the force 9 axles. The set gigglepin had on their truck was an early production set. Ashcroft beefed up a couple of things from feedback on the early prototypes - based on chatter on pirate and AULRO during and after KOH. One of those things being the bearing swivel plates at the top where gigglepin had their knuckle fail in qualifying. I believe they also re-worked the gearset for the rear end to mesh better in a high pinion application. Thats one of the other places that gigglepin had problems as their setup was using the original high-9 gearset, not the later ashcroft modded r&p to suit running in a HP config.

It's a neat setup, having seen it broken down to bits on the gigglepin truck at KOH this year.
Looks like GP are moving to Currie axles long term (from their FB page), truck is currently being rebuilt after KOH ready for Croatia Trophy next week.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 12:05 PM
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If that's the case, give Dan at Ruff Stuff a call, he was working (not sure if it went anywhere) on a housing for the Israeli's.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/
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Depending on how much you are spending on your upgrade you could just get a Snatch LR from Witham's and import it as just parts and steal the Sals front and rear and call it good with slight upgrades like Ron suggested on just the rear. Probably a lot cheaper in the end and fairly effective plus you can recoup some money on the random Snatch military parts as long as it's not one that is too blowed up.
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Dave (atlcruiser?) is bringing over some full sets of F&R Sals already. If you want to go this route, might be worth dropping him a line? There is a thread on it somewhere I think.

Edit - Here you go:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...eferrerid=5356
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