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Old September 15th, 2013, 02:37 AM
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Okay been awhile but here is a "quick" update...

Bluetooth : got pissed off... Ripped the deck out with all attached goodies and threw in a new alpine deck cde-hd149bt... Still tuning it but the Bluetooth works! One problem down and one happy club member ( sold him the old deck for 100 bucks... He got a deal and I got closure)

I did some measurements and not only do I have a saggy rear end (easy there) but its uneven... Shop put the springs in the wrong places... It doesn't really matter though because the springs were overloaded with my setup... They are really meant for a stripped down soft top...

I didn't want to give up the rear long travel setup but after a conversation with some friends, I realized that the long travel setup just mounts to the top off the spring like a spring retainer... Bonus!

I had a nice long talk with Bill at RTE... Are all the rover experts named Bill?... Anyway, my new RTE springs are being installed this Monday, along with a proper A block for a 97 d90.. I put it side by side with the other A block and the holes are definitely in different places...and extended brake lines and a new panhard rod... Did I mention that the other panhard rod was rubbing on the front of my diff...gotta remember to send that one back... And a set of EE spring retainers... Pieces of them anyway... And a steering stabilizer!

Remember how I though that my suspension measurements seemed a little low... Well I asked the mechanic if he really flexed the suspension when he measured it... He told me... Get this.... "I flexed it as far as I could... I didn't want to rip your ABS and brake lines"...

Have you ever felt like holding someone by the top of their head and slapping their face repeatedly back and forth... You know how I felt then... Hence the extended 25" brake lines... And he assures me that he will reroute the abs lines to let them hang a little looser... Measurements #2 on their way!
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 01:17 AM
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Trucks back... And I need to take some pics...

Panhard rod on and working great.

Steering stabilizer on.

New rte springs in... Way stiffer... Truck doesn't almost tip over around corners anymore... More lift... And I have the sg extended travel kit on the rear...

Figured out how to retain all my springs with a mix of EE retainers and some custom fab...

A arm block is in and not hitting anything.

I'm looking forward to the springs breaking in a bit so they get a little flexier ( I think I invented a new word).



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Not bad but it'll get better... Going to run it on a couple of trips and then order some shocks!
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:36 PM
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Took a pic. Looks level. Still working on shocks...
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:12 PM
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wow, its been forever since i updated this thing... lots has happened...

The diff noise started driving me crazy... i kept expecting them to explode... not that it was that bad but i didnt want to take the chance.

i ordered a set of r&P from GBR in a 4.43 ratio... i figured that with the 35s this will be a little lower than stock but not as low as the 4.75s...

put them in and it runs great...

i got those spacer rings for the rovertrack rear halfshafts... tried to put them in but on further inspection it looks like one of the driveshafts has been cut down and is not engaging the differential splines fully as intended. waste of money.

i ordered a set of ashcrofts for the rear and a set of ashcroft drive flanges all the way around from just in at lucky8. I dont have to say this because most of you know, he is a pleasure to deal with.

The front vent seals continued to leak... not really a suprise...

i installed a set of s111 seals and they dont leak... but the divers side keeps falling off... hopefully the shop i took it to will get it right on their third try...

------ Follow up post added August 15th, 2014 06:16 PM ------

i bought one of those rear door struts from RoversNorth... but with my td5 door card, im going to have to cut it up to make it work... with a normal door card, there is also cutting required... no mention of that in the website...

not to mention that they sent me a used one.... it had screw marks on the aluminum mounting bracket from a previous installation and someone, im assuming the previous owner of it, had drilled some extra holes... definately not original... i phoned up RoversNorth and they asked for pics... kinda hard to catch the screw marks on the aluminum with an iphone camera... anyway im in canada and im not going to ship it back from here... sucks for me...
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Old August 15th, 2014, 10:12 PM
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so i picked up a set of allied beadlock 8x15 from a board member. they were in great shape but the beadlock rings had some rash on them (as expected) but i figured id get them powder coated so i could make my own scratches (im selfish like that)... they turned out really nice and i started looking for tires...

so i decided to go for 35x12.5r15 tires for two reasons... one is that i always wanted a set of 35s on a truck... i felt like thats the "serious" marker in tires sizes (if that makes any sense)... and i wanted a wider tire to reset the centre of gravity triangle back to stock.... i went up about three inches so now im going out about three inches on both sides...

i know that the rover way is tall and skinny... that would be great but do you know how hard it is to find a 35 in a 10.5 width... without paying close to 500 a tire... besides with the floppy ass ends on rovers that have no sway bars, resetting the center of gravity back to original has a lot to be said for it... and it looks meaner!

i decided on bfg km2s... same as the smaller set i was switching from.... i really like the ride and the tread pattern works for the terrain around here... most of the time anyway... so i was shopping around for tires when...

keith at copley does a horrible thing... he posts a set of walker evans for sale... except initially he advertises them as mickey thompsons.... so i send him a polite email notifing him of his error and in the same breath i also say ill take them! Another standup guy btw... we really do have a great community here...

which leaves me with a set of allied beadlocks sitting in my garage that im trying to offload..

the walker evans were 8.5x17... did you know that going from 15 to 17 inch tires raises the price about a hundred dollars a tire?!? How does that make any sense... you are using less rubber arent you? Anyway, they do have a higher load rating, which will be usefull if i ever decide to become a cement courrier.

anyway here is a pic of the rims...



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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:56 AM
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You need to post a full truck view with the new tires and wheels!

I loved my 90 with 35's! I kept it with a 2" lift, added longer bumpstops and it was great off road and not much difference on road compared to the 285 SSR's I replaced it with. It definitely sat higher - I have GY MTR-K which are a true 35" tire.

I am guessing BC off road trails are as burly as your mtn bike trails (I was in Whistler in July) so a 35" will certainly help. I noticed that 1" or so of axle clearance made a big difference. And an aired down 315 has a lot of contact patch!

I was hoping to run 35's on my new build but not sure the Merc will be able to turn them.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 12:35 PM
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Yah I hear you about the whole truck pic... I want to put something up that's better than a parking lot shot but when I'm wheeling I rarely take pics I'm hoping to get one of the pics our club members took... Should be incoming eventually...
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Old August 16th, 2014, 05:43 PM
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So you know this look....



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Usually limited to jeeps... I'm trying to avoid it... But with the wider tires and the greater backspacing/width of the new rims, my tires were sticking out past the factory flares....

Luckily, with the help of a board member, I had planned for this possibility... Terrafirma +2" flares... I know it's not traditional but I like the look...

Bit of a pain to install with the sliders and the rear quarter panel guards that I picked up on these boards... Had to notch the flares and use a custom bracket to get them to work...

Another thing is if you don't place the rear ones low on the wheel arch, the top screws (or bolts in my case) are visible in the rear of the truck.



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Like I said, I like the look...
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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:48 PM
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So you know this look.... Usually limited to jeeps... I'm trying to avoid it... But with the wider tires and the greater backspacing/width of the new rims, my tires were sticking out past the factory flares.... Luckily, with the help of a board member, I had planned for this possibility... Terrafirma +2" flares... I know it's not traditional but I like the look... Bit of a pain to install with the sliders and the rear quarter panel guards that I picked up on these boards... Had to notch the flares and use a custom bracket to get them to work... Another thing is if you don't place the rear ones low on the wheel arch, the top screws (or bolts in my case) are visible in the rear of the truck. Like I said, I like the look...
I like the 90 look! Not so much the Jeep - I am a little tired of the Quadratec big wheels, matte rhino line, no doors, stinger, LED bar urban assault vehicle look.

I was thinking of the +2" wheelflares when I had them on my 90. I think they would look and work great with tree sliders. Love the pic - think the wheels and ties look great!
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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:10 PM
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Like I said, I like the look...
Your truck has an Icelandic truck look now. That is not a bad thing.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 06:28 PM
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Your truck has an Icelandic truck look now. That is not a bad thing.
Damn that thing looks tough... Like one of my six year olds trucks!

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I like the 90 look! Not so much the Jeep - I am a little tired of the Quadratec big wheels, matte rhino line, no doors, stinger, LED bar urban assault vehicle look. I was thinking of the +2" wheelflares when I had them on my 90. I think they would look and work great with tree sliders. Love the pic - think the wheels and ties look great!

Hmmm tree sliders... Been on my radar lately... Maybe later....
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Old August 17th, 2014, 06:41 PM
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Okay let's talk shocks... I've been a little slow on the draw to buy shocks for this thing...

First thing to decide was brand... I decided to choose between fox 2.0 and bilstein 7100s... Both are battle tested and both have their die hard fans... The cost is similar... So what ended up making the choice for me was that the 7100s come in short body configurations... Get the longer travel of a larger shock body in less space...works for me...
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Old August 17th, 2014, 10:00 PM
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So I read on pirate 4x4 that some of the folks have been using their shocks as bump stops by using specially designed jounce bumpers...

Sort of like these on the 9100 series...



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I also read that the heims in the bilstein eyelets were prone to premature wear and would start clicking...

So I ordered a set of 14" 7100 sb with bushings instead of heims and jounce bumpers... All of which were to be installed at the factory, since they were being valved at 400/100 which is the correct valving for a d90 with my setup...

Of course when they arrived, everything was there but it had all just been thrown into the box... I ended up calling in a favour from an hydraulic specialist that I knew that had worked for me in the past on stick and boom cylinders on material handlers and their like... I was lucky that I knew him because no one around here takes shocks apart... And I mean no one...

So shocks are put together and ready to go on the truck now...
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Old August 18th, 2014, 10:57 PM
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I managed to break one of thse sg style rear shock hoops that I put in... Snapped the shock bolt right off the assembly.... I was going to get Brian reimagine me another set but our timing was off... I can easily seguay into a whole post of how awesome a guy Brian is to work with and the first rate work he does.... If anything ever does go wrong he bends over backward to fix it... But I'm preaching to the choir as you all know him as well as I do...

So I will tell you about the rear shock hoop I switched to... Have you guys heard of rock ware.... They make great bumpers (still mulling over switching my NAS rear bumper for one of theirs) and skid plates .... I recently bought and installed one of these of a board member....

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In black of course... Very heavy duty.... Very heavy...

So when I needed a rear shock hoop I phoned them up... They already make one of these...

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Which is setup for a rancho 9012 which is a 12" travel shock... And the bilstein shock body is about 3/4" longer, so I asked them to make me one that was about an inch longer, beef it right up and use grade 8 hardware... It's on its way now... Will post a pic when I get it...
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Have you guys heard of rock ware....
They sound familiar.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 04:31 PM
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They sound familiar.
Right from the horses mouth... You know how long I've been waiting for you to chime in here... And that's your comment :*(


Got the shock hoops yesterday...



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Would have liked a little more gusseting but it will do for now... Also got some grade eight hardware... Monday is the day that it all gets installed...
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:23 PM
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Okay it's all on now...

Here are some pics... Hard to get good pics with the wheel on...



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Rears...





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Front lower... Not the best welding job on the lower mounts but I will keep an eye on them.... I had to move the lower mounts farther forward than I wanted to because the jounce bumpers were hitting the spring seat...
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:27 PM
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The on road handling is much better... The other shocks were valved much too soft and would lean like crazy in turns... Basically riding on springs... This is much better now.
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Old August 30th, 2014, 01:58 AM
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Here are a couple, one front, one rear on the hoist... I figure I will get better droop once the tires are on... About 108lbs more each corner...



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Looking good Mark, just needs a snorkel now with a dust pre-filter and plenty of BC pin striping !
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