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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:13 AM
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Roll Cage/Soft Top Thoughts

I took delivery of my truck in July of 2016 so I have had a chance to use, fold, store the soft top for 2 summers. I really like it but there definitely some things that I wouldn't mind fixing or starting over.

The soft top is a cabriolet so it fold down pretty easily. Except when your finger gets caught closest to the hinge on the roof. There are some tears and plenty of missing buttons in various places but it still stays on pretty tight during highway driving.

The roll bar is pretty sturdy but I would definitely like to upgrade it since I would probably need to do some soft top work.

I would like to have a windshield hoop similar to the NAS trucks.

Obviously cover the 1st and 2nd row passengers. Covering the rear of the truck in a standard wagon configuration is not necessary as I thought maybe make the back a pickup style unless it looks really weird. Haven't thought about much one way or another but we load the truck for the beach etc so loading from 3 sides with the top up would be cool. Roll up windows if going with a wagon back.

Does a 4 door soft top cage exist or are the ones that I am seeing with the custom? The interior pictures that I am seeing have curved metal or hard plastic to maintain the curvature of the top.

I wouldn't mind having windows in the wagon part either if I went that style.

I have looked at All Tim, P & P and Safety Devices but still kind of unsure what exactly to do.

I do have a fantastic fabricator that I have been using for years but not sure they have ever done roll cages. If tacking something together is the way to go I am ok with it but would rather not have them bending up tubing if what I want or close to what I want is available.

I'll work on getting better pictures.

Thank you
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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:18 AM
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Hey Chris....why don't you skip the top and just sell that truck to me. That will solve all your problems
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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:25 AM
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thats a tough one, you have a very non-standard setup

personally I would shell out the dollars to have some marine canvas made up and ditch that folding rubbish for some good old fashioned snaps and zippers

Maybe have some stiffening bars made up to go between the roll bars. A gutter kit would be a good place to start (gives you some shape)

Also it looks like a third roll bar in the back matching the other 2 would eliminate the need for that folding business. then you could run the roof in sections as needed (which would actually be pretty cool)
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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:28 AM
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Have you talked to Brewie? Does his fair share of custom cage work.

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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:58 AM
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I would have a custom cage made if budget allows. It could come out real nice. Anyone that does racing roll cages can do it. There should be plenty of those shops in PA. I would imagine doing an external Rover cage is easier then building cages inside of a car which is where it gets really tricky.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 10:20 AM
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I would do a hybrid---I would start with a saftety designs front hoop as I think it is money well spent given the level of integration to the bulkhead through the fenders. Maybe the first half of the cage. Then I would hire a custom fabricator to fashion the rear.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:17 PM
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I'm looking at doing the same over the winter. PM me if you want and I'll tell you what I've looked at so far.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 01:07 PM
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The folding top is sweet... looks similar to a Bestop Sunrider found on Jeeps.


Any way to do that for a NAS 90?
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Old September 28th, 2017, 04:59 PM
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The fold is pretty sweet but it does rub against the 2ns row seats and the canvas is showing its age.

I was looking at Safety Devices front hoop and definitely a nice starting point.

Will considering touching base with Brian. Not sure if "mail" order ever possible but I have to contact to figure that out. Definitely like what I have seen.

Gutter kit is a plus. Like '97 NAS style I believe correct? 4 door pickup with tonneau is a possible end result just not sure if it would look way out of place.

Sorry Chris not selling.

This might be result I am thinking of.
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Anyone buy from Safety Device, P&P or All Trim? Experiences?
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Old September 28th, 2017, 05:16 PM
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x2 on calling Brian at LRC (Brewie212 on here). He is a master at custom cages, especially interior cages for soft top applications. Mine turned out amazing after coming up with the concept, design, and full fabrication in just a 4 day weekend. Hes a pretty nice guy, as well.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 12:18 PM
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That's nice Kent. Do you have any pictures with a top on it?
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 12:26 PM
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Chris: What you have is unique.

Great for holding up a soft top, but the lack of any bracing makes it suspect imho if you want roll over protections. I've seen worse. People sold a safety cage made out of thin non spec tubing that wasn't even connected to the chassis......
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 08:12 PM
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Here are a few we have done
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 08:33 PM
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X3 or 4 have Brian do you one up. He knows Rovers so from both a structural/safety and aesthetics standpoint you will be covered.
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That's nice Kent. Do you have any pictures with a top on it?
Here is one of me stuck in some mud

Brians cage essentially replaces the front part of a standard hoop set for this Ex-MOD soft top, which is exactly what I wanted. I just use the two rear hoops of the hoop set when I have the top on, so it looks like a pretty typical Ex-MOD 110.
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Brewie, Those look awesome! I love how they look with the half doors! One thing I've thought about with these is putting 2nd row shoulder belt mounts on the roll cage. It would be nice to put newer seats and have shoulder belts on both rows. Then you could make a removable piece so the body line would be smooth all the way down the side.

The idea of a fold down style top like a J**p is great, but I don't know how it would work with a 5 door 110. You could have an A,B, and C roll bar loop and then angle the cage down to the tailgate. That would give you space for the folded top to lay on the tailgate. Whenever I find the 110 that I want I plan to see what I can come up with. I've spent a lot of time on boats with folding tops and think that's a great place to look for ideas. Just my 2 cents
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 10:31 AM
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Brewie, Those look awesome! I love how they look with the half doors! One thing I've thought about with these is putting 2nd row shoulder belt mounts on the roll cage. It would be nice to put newer seats and have shoulder belts on both rows. Then you could make a removable piece so the body line would be smooth all the way down the side.

The idea of a fold down style top like a J**p is great, but I don't know how it would work with a 5 door 110. You could have an A,B, and C roll bar loop and then angle the cage down to the tailgate. That would give you space for the folded top to lay on the tailgate. Whenever I find the 110 that I want I plan to see what I can come up with. I've spent a lot of time on boats with folding tops and think that's a great place to look for ideas. Just my 2 cents
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The folding top is nice but when it is folded it takes up a lot of space and limits what I can put in the back. We usually just fold the side windows up and sometimes just fold the section of the top above the front seats.
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The folding top is sweet... looks similar to a Bestop Sunrider found on Jeeps.


Any way to do that for a NAS 90?
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