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Old December 23rd, 2008, 05:38 PM
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NAS d-90 from scratch. What would that cost me to build (all new parts etc) if I did the work myself? Is that legal? Has anyone done this?

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300 tdi as well...
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:15 PM
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NAS d-90 from scratch. What would that cost me to build (all new parts etc) if I did the work myself? Is that legal? Has anyone done this?

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300 tdi as well...
Good luck finding the parts! Take outer wings. It took an LRNA dealer six months to find the right ones. Turns out they aren't being made with any regularity anymore. Tubs for the NAS are most likely Unobtanium. SD was in bankruptcy and appears to be back per ECR, but they don't seem inclined to make anymore cages. So those are going to be very pricey to source if at all. One partial set is on Ebay for 3.5k.

George at RDS can get you a 300 tdi. He had a deal a long time ago for a 300, R380 and LT230 for 15-17k.

At the end of the day, I'd say it'd be much more feasible and cheaper to actually buy a complete truck.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:15 AM
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New parts, NAS spec, all of them >100k
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Old December 24th, 2008, 09:39 AM
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If you can find the parts I'm sure it sould be done. A 1974 Jaguar E-Type was just built from spare parts.

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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:11 PM
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It also won't be legal.

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NAS d-90 from scratch. What would that cost me to build (all new parts etc) if I did the work myself? Is that legal? Has anyone done this?

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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:57 PM
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It also won't be legal.
Depends on the state. You can build a car from parts in IL. They will issue title and VIN if it meets state requirements.

No different than building a hot rod from parts.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:58 PM
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I knew someone would pipe up with this. It will never be legal in the eyes of the feds. Then again, not much is...


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Depends on the state. You can build a car from parts in IL. They will issue title and VIN if it meets state requirements.

No different than building a hot rod from parts.
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Old December 25th, 2008, 05:52 AM
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Depends on the state. You can build a car from parts in IL. They will issue title and VIN if it meets state requirements.

No different than building a hot rod from parts.
Could you not import a log book (registration document) from the UK....um, i meant "buy a complete vehicles and ship it over"....ahem" and then "rebuild" it to NAS90 spec?
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Old December 25th, 2008, 10:59 AM
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I knew someone would pipe up with this. It will never be legal in the eyes of the feds. Then again, not much is...
Why would the Feds be involved at all? I can buy all the parts needed from George who would have imported them legally to begin with as parts in the states.

You may have to prove your parts are DoT compliant at the state level but that wouldn't be difficult at all if you use a V-8.

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Could you not import a log book (registration document) from the UK....um, i meant "buy a complete vehicles and ship it over"....ahem" and then "rebuild" it to NAS90 spec?
Doubt it. If you have a complete car then it has to be on the list to get in. If you brought an 84 in then no problem.

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Old December 25th, 2008, 01:36 PM
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Ren Ching is indeed right. My apologies for my ignorance! I was completely wrong. I Re-read the DOT rules.

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No car can be imported as parts and reassembled and registered as road worthy.
Kit car vendors are registered with the DOT as such.

So that answers wether you can assemble one from scratch. Not legally.

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I love how screwed up our laws are on kit cars. They are basing the definition on the part of the car that has the least to do with its roadworthiness.

madness..
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Good for the market though. George could hire some elves this time of year and be building td5's for sale from parts. I don't see George having the patience to deal with the new car market though.

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Good luck finding the parts! Take outer wings. It took an LRNA dealer six months to find the right ones. Turns out they aren't being made with any regularity anymore. Tubs for the NAS are most likely Unobtanium. SD was in bankruptcy and appears to be back per ECR, but they don't seem inclined to make anymore cages. So those are going to be very pricey to source if at all. One partial set is on Ebay for 3.5k.

George at RDS can get you a 300 tdi. He had a deal a long time ago for a 300, R380 and LT230 for 15-17k.

At the end of the day, I'd say it'd be much more feasible and cheaper to actually buy a complete truck.
300 TDi for 17k? Really? Anyone have a picture of this... I am astounded...
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call the guys at rovers north. they have done scratch builds. i have seen one good looking 130 tdi.........from scratch!!! very sweet............that's rover porn.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 09:39 AM
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300 TDi for 17k? Really? Anyone have a picture of this... I am astounded...
That was the entire drive train. R-380, LT230 and the motor. Add the exchange rate at the time and it wasn't a bad deal at all....

Search the bbs. 300tdis aren't what I would call a cheap motor.
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Why would the Feds be involved at all? I can buy all the parts needed from George who would have imported them legally to begin with as parts in the states.

You may have to prove your parts are DoT compliant at the state level but that wouldn't be difficult at all if you use a V-8.

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Doubt it. If you have a complete car then it has to be on the list to get in. If you brought an 84 in then no problem.

EwS
DOT has nothing to do with the V8 (they are the safety agency)- that would be one of the other two Govt agencys concerned, the EPA.

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Could you not import a log book (registration document) from the UK....um, i meant "buy a complete vehicles and ship it over"....ahem" and then "rebuild" it to NAS90 spec?
You need to import the carcass with the log book in order to have the legit EPA and DOT exemptions along with the Customs paperwork. A V5 by itself is worthless without the supporting import docs.
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