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Old April 21st, 2015, 10:25 AM
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My 1966 Series IIa 300tdi Defender Build

So after having a couple series rovers I have decided to build my very own Frankin-Rover.

Major Parts include:

NAS Defender 90 frame
Complete 300tdi engine and trans
Defender axles
And Series IIa with rotted frame (Rihno Rover)


I've started setting up the workshop (barn) with the axles under the frame.

I've bought cranked front radius arms and adjustable rear trailing arms to accommodate the RTE 3" springs (Told that they will actually be 4" on a 90)

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First question is, what shocks, shock towers and brackets do you recommend? (Frame is compleyely bare)

Thanks in advance for the help!

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Old April 21st, 2015, 12:08 PM
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Hmmm, this seems vaguely familiar in some way.....
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:27 AM
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Also, tire size would be helpful too, hoping not to cut the fenders. I have the 16 inch rims.

I had on a previous series, size 235-85-16 with parabolics, but on this one I'll have a lot more hight, so not sure if I should run a bigger tire.

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Bill do you have some insight for me?

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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:37 AM
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Bill do you have some insight for me?

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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:37 AM
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:39 AM
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:46 AM
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Why such a big lift on a 90? A 3 or 4" lift seriously messes up all of the suspension geometry, IMO. Doing it properly is very complicated.
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Old August 20th, 2015, 11:07 AM
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D90 Tub or Frame Chop?

Ok, so I've reached a really tough decision. I've realized where the 2 inch difference is between the 88's and 90's, it's the rear tub.

So I am left with this decision:
1) buy a D90 rear tub which is $2,200 (factory takeoff, only one I could find)
-cons are my hard top won't fit
2) use my series tub and cut the middle of the frame down 2 inches.
-I don't trust myself doing this, and fear about messing up the structural integrity of the frame.
-not sure where I'd cut out the 2", and would also require me to move the front tub mounts on the frame.

All opinions and suggestions are helpful.

Again I'm in Baltimore
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Old August 20th, 2015, 11:12 AM
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It is not 2". It is a 5" difference in the wheelbase (88" versus 92.9"). I'm pretty sure most of it is in the cab. The bulkhead is further back.
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Old August 20th, 2015, 11:28 AM
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Oh, ok. So what I meant to say is, with the firewall installed, it's a 2" difference.

So I'd chop it in the middle section
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Old August 20th, 2015, 11:34 AM
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The difference is all in the tub. Cab is the same.
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Present:
1960 SII 109"- "Red Square"
1984 90 Tdi- "Yamelo"
1988 RRC- "Chewbacca"
1987 RRC- "Chewy 2"
2008 RRS SC- "The Supersofa"

Past:
1959 SII 88"- "The Little Green Beastie" last seen in NY
1972 SIII 88"- "GreenHELL" now in NC
1988 90 "Eric the Half a Bee" half a truck, sold for parts
1991 RRC- never got a name- long since recycled
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Old August 20th, 2015, 11:57 AM
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The difference is all in the tub. Cab is the same.
Depends how you look at it. The bulkhead is further back in a Defender.

Series...


Defender 90
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Old August 21st, 2015, 04:41 PM
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Depends how you look at it. The bulkhead is further back in a Defender.

Series...


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yup but the bulkhead is part of the tub. And 109 2 door bulkhead and tub front is the same as defender 90 and 110s. Only the Series 88s are different.
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Present:
1960 SII 109"- "Red Square"
1984 90 Tdi- "Yamelo"
1988 RRC- "Chewbacca"
1987 RRC- "Chewy 2"
2008 RRS SC- "The Supersofa"

Past:
1959 SII 88"- "The Little Green Beastie" last seen in NY
1972 SIII 88"- "GreenHELL" now in NC
1988 90 "Eric the Half a Bee" half a truck, sold for parts
1991 RRC- never got a name- long since recycled
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Old August 21st, 2015, 04:59 PM
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Oh, by bulkhead, I meant firewall. So the distance of the door jam is 2 inches longer with the 88 tub
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Old August 21st, 2015, 09:18 PM
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I did something similar, but shortened a 110 frame down to fit a 109" body. IN my case I was doing the rear crossmember as well which helped - as others are saying it's not as simple as just taking out a section of the frame, but you want the rear wheels to line up in the wheel wells, and also maintain the body mounting positions.

That said, where you want to cut is somewhere that doesn't affect the suspension or the amount of work you will have to do will ripple even further. This page shows where I cut mine

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...-41368-10.html
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:32 PM
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Mine is somewhat similar to what you are describing. It has a 90 frame and tub, but the series windscreen. To make a top that worked, a 109" roof was cut down so it would fit the 90 tub, but still bolt to the series windscreen.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 01:24 PM
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Just sent you a PM. This is my last Ser II A 300 Tdi hybrid
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roverex, that looks amazing.

Is that a series dash on a defender bulkhead or a series bulkhead and dash?
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Old September 4th, 2015, 10:43 PM
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That was a Ser IIA bulkhead on a defender chassis. To avoid the issues that arose from using the Ser bulkhead, I'm using a upper Ser tray and welding it onto a defender bulkhead for my current build.
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Old September 7th, 2015, 04:25 PM
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Great info. Thanks guys, looks like space will be a hot commodity under the hood
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