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Old January 1st, 2015, 12:20 PM
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Mr. Bean gets a 6l80

So I've had plans to start this thread months ago but laziness got the best of me, but since it's about 20 deg in the garage right now this seems like a good way to still be productive on the project.

Ok, broad strokes, I'm putting a GM 5.3 and 6l80 in my '84 110 (aka Mr. Bean). I've been working with Nick for about a year to get this done. Since Nick was designing the swap for the NAS 90 and I have an early 110, I had to improvise a bit in certain areas. Be forewarned, the truck is not running yet, so departures from Nick's build you see below should work in theory but are untested.

First off, why is it named Mr. Bean, well it's British and dosen't make sense. I mean if it made sense I'd be driving a 100 series Land Cruiser, right?

The day before I started stripping it down:
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Old January 1st, 2015, 12:45 PM
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Mr. Bean had a dual carb 3.5 that was on it's last leg and a bad syncro in 5th, it was time for a overhaul. I looked at all the rover engine options keeping in mind this is going to spend a lot of time above 9000ft and nothing seemed like it was going to cut it. I like to blast down the interstate at 80mph to the trailhead then get out in the backcountry and explore some slow crawling trails. For me it was actually the 6l80 transmission that sold me first, 4ish:1 first gear then two overdrives. It seemed like the prefect transmission for wheeling. Since the motor attached to it has a huge aftermarket support base, it's known to be pretty reliable, and makes 300+hp, I was sold.

My plans for the build was to basically build a mechanically brand new car. Yeah, the frame has some surface rust and dosen't look all that pretty, but it's sound. I couldn't justify the extra work and cost to get a galvanized frame and totally frame off restore it. I just want it to be mechanically reliable for long backcountry trips.

No love-loss for the clutch master

The strip down:
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Old January 1st, 2015, 01:17 PM
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Throughout the build I kept a spreadsheet of all the part numbers I ordered, so instead of detailing every part number in the post I'll just post the BOM I kept at some point.

Nick was still working on the manufacturing of the adaptor so I started work on some extraneous stuff to kept busy.

First up: fuel pump

My early 110 used the single hole fuel tank (i.e the fuel pick up came out through the sender hole.) I decided to switch to the more common two hole tank. I was able to use the early 110 efi hanger with the two hole tank. The stock efi pump wasn't going to put out the 60 psi the ls needed, so I found a walbro pump to swap into the hanger.

After a bit of research, I found a lot people having issues with high ethanol fuels eating rubber fuel lines. So in the spirit of building this thing tough, I went with teflon lined braided SS flex lines. To adapt the braided line to the hanger I used a -5 tube nut and flared the tube on the hanger. Since they don't make -5 hose fittings I had to use a -5 to -6 an union.

For the gasket between the hanger and tank land rover gives you two options for material: cork or neoprene. Since I have a wheel well aux tank, fuel will actually be in contact with this gasket quite a bit, so I didn't really trust either material. I found an ultra chemical resistance material on Mcmaster and made my own gasket.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 01:39 PM
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Next: Wiring

For the efi harness Nick suggested a new stock gm harness and get Speartech to modify it. I guess I was lucky enough to get it done while they were still doing this. Anyways I just could not justify hooking this brand new harness into a 30 year old harness that's been hacked on for 20 years by various people before I owned it. I'm sure they work ok, but the glass fuses just didn't scream "tough" to me so they needed to go. Rover harnesses (if you can find one) seem to go for an arm and a leg. That left going with an aftermarket universal harness and making my own. I got a Kwik wire 12 circuit universal harness. It's got ato fuses, automotive gxl wire and the wires are screen printed every six inches with the circuit name. Yeah, maybe having the correct rover color coded wire might be easier for future mechanics to diagnose wiring problems, but on the plus side I know every inch of wiring thats in this thing.

Note: Those considering Nick's swap but are intimidated by wiring, this part of my build is total overkill and not necessary. The efi harness is really like a 5 wire hook up.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 01:46 PM
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Computer Mount:

Nick is using the old air cleaner mount to mount the efi computer. Since I don't have that, I made my own mount.

Fyi, I love nut-serts (that sounds wrong), anyways I got a brunch of these things in M6 thread and use them everywhere I can.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 02:03 PM
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Drivetrain is in, but in the wrong place (more on this later)

Don't worry the steering box, brake master and booster are all going to be replaced.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 02:13 PM
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New gauges:

I went with the vdo vision black gauges. The Speartech efi harness has a speedo output wire, so I used a digital speedometer. The efi computer can be programed to account for gearing or tire size changes. Also as Nick found out the VDO tach needs a 12v signal, but the efi harness puts out a 5v sine wave. Nick recommended a MSD made signal converter for $60 bucks, but I found a local company, Casper Electronics, made a converter for $30. Not 100% sure it's going to work, but I'll give it a shot.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 02:24 PM
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sub'd. I'm going to do this swap in my 110. Matt Peterson at Rockware is going to do most of the heavy lifting for me though. I'll be very keen to see your BOM.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 02:27 PM
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Fuel System Con't

I used the pretty common ls filter/regulator. I mounted it close to the tank to minimize the travel of the fuel return. Some say to mount the regulator close to the engine to minimize pressure drop in the fuel hose, other say to minimize the return line to reduce the chance of vapor lock. Having experienced vapor lock in the d-90, I choose to go with the ladder. I guess we'll see...

I had planned on running a SS hard line down the frame rail, but it started to be such a pain in the ass with all the bends needed, I said f-it and ran all flex line.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 02:38 PM
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So this was about the point where we moved to a new house and I got a bit distracted doing other summer hobbies... The rover project got moved to the back burner for awhile.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 03:06 PM
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Drivetrain con't

The break did give the chance to ponder the drivetrain enigma a bit.

My conclusions:

1. My engine mounts were in the wrong place.

2. I preferred to keep the my seat box and not switch to a NAS style r-380 seat box. (The r-380 box has a cut-out near the tunnel because the lt-230 is pushed forward and interferes with it.)

3. My t-case needed to be my point of reference, it's position could not change. (Didn't want to build new driveshafts)

4. My drivetrain is not going to not be in the same place as the NAS trucks, it's about 1-1.5" farther back than the NAS set-up. (Hense, I don't need a cut-out in the seat box.)

4. I needed to cut off the old mounts and move the hole mess forward. (This was before Nick had weld-in mounts. I think the one piece design of the weld-in mounts will be better for my set-up, so I'm going to switch to those.)
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Old January 1st, 2015, 03:39 PM
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Drivetrain con't con't

The enigma continues...

So, early on I decided the 30 year old 1.6 ratio lt-230 wasn't worth hanging on too when low miles 1.2 ratio disco lt-230s are a dime a dozen. I tracked down a nice disco LT and lucky I grabbed the mounts as well. Nick's kit is designed to use an auto disco driverside mount. I assumed I'd reuse the passenger side 110 mount because the holes all lined up and it seemed the same as the disco one just not offset forward. You know what they say about assuming... especially when land rover is involved.

So my drivetrain was in the right place laterally, but seemed pretty "angled" between the frame rails. Plus the disco mount would not fit on the driverside, but it would fit if I flipped it upside down, (see pics below) Don't do this, it's wrong!

So what's the deal? Yeah, apparently not all lt-230s are created equal. The passenger side t-case mounting is different between the early 110 case and disco case. See the pics below (courtesy of Dave Lucas) the 110 mount is centered and the disco mount is offset, but pay attention to the offset of the mounting surface. The 110 mount was pushing the drivetrain towards the driverside too much. I needed to use the disco mount to center the axially the align the drivetrain between the frame rails. Damn, now the offset mounting causes the frame mounting holes to not align. Oh well, break out the drill...
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I got more, but this was all I could stomach for today, plus I think the heater finally got the garage up to a decent temp.

I'll try and stay on top of updates but don't hold your breath

Happy new year! - Matt
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Sub'd and keep the pic's coming... Great to see another 5.3 install...
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Nice work so far Matt, I'll be following this with an interest since I to have a 1983.
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After a bit of research, I found a lot people having issues with high ethanol fuels eating rubber fuel lines. So in the spirit of building this thing tough, I went with teflon lined braided SS flex lines.
I've been looking at this also, on my truck I have a Pollak 6 port dual fuel tank changeover valve so using AN fitting & PTFE hose directly to it isn't possible as it only has push on barbs. After a bit of digging this hose from Summit is E85 approved & gets good reviews.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...g&autoview=SKU

I also found these 'Porsche' approved hose clamps that I think I'll use for the push on connections.

https://www.belmetric.com/metric-cla...-c-15_142.html

They also stock a multi-fuel hose too :

https://www.belmetric.com/metric-hos...-c-14_662.html
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Matt,

The first pics of your 110 were taken about 1 mile from my old house.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 10:14 AM
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Dave, yeah I was using the hills around Horsetooth to get a baseline of how much the rover engine sucked. I shot a video on one climb so I can't do a little before and after.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Got the new power steering box in. Currently planning on how I'm going to orient the ps lines. For reference (as it was pretty difficult to find) the feed on the rover ps box is a 14mm inverted flare. The return is a 16mm inverted flare. If you google inverted flare two completely different styles of fitting will pop up. The style the ps box uses has a little o-ring on the end of it. The gm pump also uses the 16mm inverted flare. For hose the teflon braided hose I used for fuel is also rated to 2500psi and is suitable for ps applications.
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