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Old February 28th, 2014, 11:12 AM
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Here is the upper pan remove/replace section from the manual that I found:


http://mb.bolinko.org/15/warsztat-ma...e-oil-pan.html
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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:34 PM
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RD oil pan porn....

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This is just a test fit and makes me feel better having on and leaving the engine unattended. There are 28 bolts that hold it to the block. Not sure how that compares to the Rover pans. There are 2 studs at the front that have to get pulled - M8 sized - and replaced by an Allen headed bolt. It's is too bad this is on the bottom as it is going to look pretty trick with the aluminum and Allen heads.

The front harmonic balancer bolt was a mo-fo to get off. I read that it is on at 250lb/ft. A trip to Advanced Auto got me a puller that used the M10 bolt holes and that came off easy.

I am having a tough time with getting the dip stick tube out of the old pan. Need to research that some more. I feel like once I get the front seal in, half the back rope seal and the pan on I will be at a very nice point. After that I am going to pop it into the frame and do the smaller items there so I have some more shop room.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 07:20 PM
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Nice pictures.
We have a special tool to remove and install the dipstick if you need to borrow.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 08:08 AM
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Being an old school bike guy, I'm a bit disappointed that the pan isn't purple or rasta anodized. -Jeff
Haha - i could just use some old Ringle' , Cook Bros, or Kooka parts as a guide!

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Nice pictures. We have a special tool to remove and install the dipstick if you need to borrow.
Let me look into the removal - after looking at the pictures I might have a something that will work and i think I was going at it a little wrong. For the dipstick install would a open end spanner work?
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Old March 4th, 2014, 07:23 PM
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Did a little more to the 617 today:


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New spacer ring installed. The old spacer ring had a groove cut into it from years of use. It was a little bit of a pain to remove. I had to use various thickness of screw drivers, chisels and sockets to get it off the crankshaft end. To get the new one on I smeared Rotella on it and it went right on.

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I had to cut the dip stick tube about an inch. I got it off the old pan by heating things up and it came right out. I think I will hear the pan a bit and then pop this back in. Will do that once it is in the chassis.

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Pic of the rope seal on the RD oil pan. This is half of the rear main seal. There is a procedure to slightly move the crank and get the other rope seal in but I really don't feel capable doing that right now. If I have a leak I will worry about it later. My thinking is (since these motors can be had at a decent price at times) if I find another at a good price I will just do a complete rebuild and swap that in, if there are any issues with this one.

The rope seal has to be cut 1-2mm above the pan surface. What is very slick is the RD pan has the same small spike that keeps the rope seal in place.

I looking to seal the pan and install tomorrow. And maybe even get this bear into the chassis using those big ol' Merc motor mounts.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 04:29 PM
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Got the pan on today.

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A couple of pics of the front main seal. The seal I bought was from Corteco. I have used them for axles on the Rover and they seem to work well. Anyways this one had me stumped as the seal had half a flange. When I put the pan on it seems to make more sense. The longer flange should be with the pan as the pan sits back a bit (like only 1mm). I tried to take some pics to show how it sits (which I am hoping is correct)



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The 28 or so Allen head bolts. I didn't see the lock washers at first and used blue loctite. But then found them when I was looking for something else. Took them all out and reinstalled with the lock washers. The stock wavy washers can't work as the drill outs are too small. With the lock washers the bolt heads stick out a little bit. I torqued all the M6 bolts to 10 N/M and the 4 - M8 to 25 lb/ft or 32 N/M.



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I am having an issue with one of the M6 bolts near where the dip stick goes. Not sure if i should Dremel a notch in the dip stick part or open up the hole for where the bolt goes in. Robert any ideas?
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:38 PM
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Looking great!
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:54 PM
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I don't think a little recess to clear that bolt would be an issue at all. But I also can't tell what the wall thickness is right there.

Looks great Don!
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Old March 5th, 2014, 07:58 PM
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Got the pan on today... am having an issue with one of the M6 bolts near where the dip stick goes. Not sure if i should Dremel a notch in the dip stick part or open up the hole for where the bolt goes in. Robert any ideas?
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You can relieve the dipstick boss or just tap the bolt "around the corner".
It won't bend if you are gentle with the taps.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:30 PM
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. You can relieve the dipstick boss or just tap the bolt "around the corner". It won't bend if you are gentle with the taps.
I got it done today. Did a little relieve mostly as the head of the bolt was digging in but I didn't have to remove much.

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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:38 PM
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Got one of the motor mounts in today as well.


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I tried it with the studs from the original motor mounts but the new mounts seem to thin - RD kit is steel plate vs Merc cast aluminum. This is a pic with them taken out.

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Here is what the stud looks like - besides the one side being very long the threaded part isn't deep enough IMO.

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Had some shorter 10.9 grade M10s. I used them with the stock Mercedes wavy washer and a normal washer to take up a little space.

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All install - this is the left hand side but the motor is still flipped upside down.
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Pay close attention that one of the stud holes from the stock mounts because it is not captive and goes all the way through the block.
Believe it to be on the other side of the block.
The bolt cannot be too long because it protrudes inside the engine.
Also best practice to use some gasket sealer on that particular bolt & hole.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 04:24 PM
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Pay close attention that one of the stud holes from the stock mounts because it is not captive and goes all the way through the block. Believe it to be on the other side of the block. The bolt cannot be too long because it protrudes inside the engine. Also best practice to use some gasket sealer on that particular bolt & hole.
Thanks Robert -

Not sure if I said, but this mount is for the left hand side of the block.

I might pull those bolts out and double check to see if the clearance is exactly the same as the studs I pulled out. If they aren't the same length I will get some shorter bolts. I will poke the holes and see which one goes all the way thru and gasket sealer that one up.
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New series oil pan prototype!

Pictures of the new generation oil pan for the series IIA & III OM617 Conversion Kit.
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Old March 10th, 2014, 09:03 PM
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Put the engine in the chassis today.

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Left side motor mount. I pulled all the bolts and took off a few mm in lengths. I checked all holes and did not see one that went into the block but one did have some oil. Not sure as things were leaking all over. IIRC it was the upper left one on the right hand side.

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I did a "dry" fit of the RD plate and the spacer. I put in some of the bolts to see what was going where.


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View of left hand side


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I had to get a new alternator bracket as the one that came with the engine had one of the pieces that hold the alternator crack off.

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Right side motor mount. You should be able to see the heat shield to protect the motor mount.

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Brass fitting for turbo drain. Need to figure out how this will be refitted.

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That's pretty sexy. Who makes those shock towers ?
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Old March 10th, 2014, 10:06 PM
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That's pretty sexy. Who makes those shock towers ?
Thanks! I was pretty stoked to get it in the frame today.

RTE shock towers. I bought them from someone on the board and sprayed Eastwood etching primer and chassis black extreme on them.
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Yeah I use that extreme chassis black a lot. I wont buy the gloss again- just not right on a defender IMO the satin is what works
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Note that the mounts move only in one direction.
They are stiff in the all rubber areas, but move where there is less rubber.
Looks line left side will allow front to back movement and can't see the right mount.
Recommend they be installed to allow side to side movement, but not front to back.

Are you going to install AC?
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Old March 11th, 2014, 12:31 PM
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Are you going to install AC?


I am not. I want to keep things simple and when I had my '95 ST I only felt I needed AC a few days of the year.

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Note that the mounts move only in one direction.
They are stiff in the all rubber areas, but move where there is less rubber.
Looks line left side will allow front to back movement and can't see the right mount.
Recommend they be installed to allow side to side movement, but not front to back.

Thanks for that - both of them are installed incorrectly then. I will move them both 90 deg.
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