How much is too much??? - Page 2 - Defender Source
Defender Source  

Go Back   Defender Source > Build-up's, Projects & Registry Profiles > Truck Build-up's & Restores


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #21  
Old February 2nd, 2015, 04:43 PM
jason1st
Status: Offline
Jason Crandall
2006 LR3 2012 SC 1983 110
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Atlanta, GA.
Posts: 335
I'm in the middle of my build now.

Will my 110 hold it's value for what I've got in it? Who Knows?

Will a new, $150K 2015 Supercharged RR hold it's value? Hell no! It'll be worth $30K in 5 years... Maybe less.

So who cares how much I spend on the 110? It can't be worse than buying a new car.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #22  
Old February 2nd, 2015, 06:25 PM
evilfij's Avatar
evilfij
Status: Offline
evilfij
I have never seen a rover in person
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: on the internet
Posts: 14,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason1st View Post
I'm in the middle of my build now. Will my 110 hold it's value for what I've got in it? Who Knows? Will a new, $150K 2015 Supercharged RR hold it's value? Hell no! It'll be worth $30K in 5 years... Maybe less. So who cares how much I spend on the 110? It can't be worse than buying a new car.
Your last point is by far the best and why I don't mind spending money on my rovers.
__________________
*not legal advice*
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old February 2nd, 2015, 07:35 PM
chuckc4
Status: Offline
chuck b
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 517
You are creating a family heirloom—you cannot put a final value on that!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #24  
Old February 3rd, 2015, 08:56 PM
KGH's Avatar
KGH
Status: Offline
Real Name
#1-'13 110SW,#2-'87 127,#3-'12 LR4
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Keys, Florida
Posts: 1,039
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by newhue View Post
I do however think you have demonstrated to the kids more so, if you have money you can do what you want. Waste it, feel good about it, forget about it.

The kids will truly appreciate it because it took effort, real effort.
Two huge lessons for the kids, before they even get to go for a ride.

Effort pays off.
Effort often equals, in a trading sense, money.
Having money is a nice thing.
Having money you earned, and did not harm others in that, even better.

You have taught them value, that things are not free, or expected, or entitlment based. Not in a political sense, but in a real world, do this and this happens sense. Great stuff.

As for your Gucci'd truck, I get it. Spending buttloads of money on my 110HT.

Improve what you can, make it yours. Hell, I am painting mine a Jeep color, Puma bulhead and dash, and Disco axels! I worked very hard to make this possible. It is my wife and I planning, it is the long days at work, it is what we want. And in a John Galt sort of way, there is nothing at all wrong with doing what I want.

Still, it is just a truck, and it, like me, will fade to dust someday. Hopefully we see and travel a lot of miles before then.
__________________
KGH - Defender Snob
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old February 3rd, 2015, 09:35 PM
woldd90's Avatar
woldd90
Status: Offline
Scott
1997 D90 ST #1444
Site Team
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,329
The problem you have is: You only have one Heirloom... You need 3, one for each kid. My boys "Bleed Green" they love Land Rovers.
__________________
Scott

Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old February 3rd, 2015, 11:38 PM
CMSgt Bo's Avatar
CMSgt Bo
Status: Offline
Bo
1985 One Ten
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Banner Elk NC
Posts: 786
I hope your plans don't include registering it in Cali with the Diesel motor in it.
__________________
Proud member of the YCHJCYA2PDTHFH club.

My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old February 4th, 2015, 07:28 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
I agree. Over the next 10 years I will need to repeat the feat twice more. The way I see it, my dedicated, even-keeled 10 year old will get this 110.

My 12 year old is much more impulsive. He's a nature guy and very athletic. I figure we'll restore a 130 pickup.

My 7 year old is his own person. He needs his space. I figure at some point we'll get him a d90.

Of course none of them will go to college because I'll burn their college funds in trucks and restoration!!!
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old February 4th, 2015, 08:07 AM
kjva
Status: Offline
Ken Jackson
1985 110 Wagon
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Dillwyn VA USA
Posts: 352
I did something similar but we used the Rover on a regular basis.
I imported a 1985 lhd Station Wagon with power steering and AC.
The 2.25 petrol engine and gearbox were on the way out but the chassis was good.
We put in a recon 200tdi and gearbox, renewed all the bushes and steering box.
Did a true two inch lift with Koni HT Raid shocks and OME heavy duty springs.
Wolf wheels with HT spacers and 38 inch Mud Terrains.
We will put in new doors at some point and a ARB winch bumper.
My three sons helped all the way and it is now at Virginia Tech / Blacksburg.
One can not wait to import a 130 and we are looking for a V8 110 HC pick up right now.
You can not put a price on the experience in my opinion.
The one on the right is the one we worked on.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	101_1383.jpg
Views:	145
Size:	131.2 KB
ID:	112741  
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old February 4th, 2015, 10:59 AM
CavemanDiesel's Avatar
CavemanDiesel
Status: Offline
Eric Smirh
1985 D90
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Vero Beach, Fl, USA
Posts: 803
Bottom line is , it's your money and your Rover. You do what you want to it, I think it's money well spent for the family planning and all. Nice truck,
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old February 4th, 2015, 04:19 PM
CaptMidnite
Status: Offline
Daniel Choi
94 NAS Defender 90 ST
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NJ, Philly area
Posts: 203
Just one small question, you say you dropped it off at a shop and such and such work was done. So, did the shop do the restoration work or did you and your kids do the work? If it's the latter, then definitely the learning and bonding experience factor goes up. Not saying it's bad to have a shop do everything either.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old February 4th, 2015, 10:57 PM
samer0214's Avatar
samer0214
Status: Offline
Samer Hijazi
1997 P38 Vitesse
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 390
Registry
Very nice build and project. I think you've piked a lot of interest, especially with your "modernization" of your defender. You've certainly got me interested and motivated, especially when it comes to the electronics.

I'd be very interested in the list of components and code, and look forward to the information.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarur View Post
Indeed. The Arduinos have been by far one of the most fun parts of the project. We have three arduinos:
1. An Arduino Due
2. An Arduino Mega
3. An Arduino Uno

The Due was critical because it is the only one who can handle more than 5 interrupts, and we needed a bunch: Speed, RPM, fuel pulses, each of the 5 doors, low fuel. The Due reads each interrupt and converts them into a signal (mph for speed, RPM, or a trigger for doors and fuel). The Mega is connected to the thermocouples (4 in total: exterior, interior, exhaust gases, engine coolant), a tilt sensor (XYZ angles), an accelerometer and a barometer (all from Parallax, off the shelf). Likewise it converts all the digital signals into analog readouts (temperatures, altitude, bearing, g-forces, incline angles). All the information is then transferred to the UNO which displays it on a TFT screen.

Once it's all done I will post a list of components and the code for each of the three boards.

Oh, and when you turn the car on, it shows a kick-ass picture of the car
__________________
Thank you - Samer
1997 P38 Vitesse (Red)
2003 Discovery II
Defenderless, for now!
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old February 6th, 2015, 11:34 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMidnite View Post
Just one small question, you say you dropped it off at a shop and such and such work was done. So, did the shop do the restoration work or did you and your kids do the work? If it's the latter, then definitely the learning and bonding experience factor goes up. Not saying it's bad to have a shop do everything either.
It's been a combination. We don't really have the space/tools/expertise to undertake a project of this magnitude on our own, so we are using an amazing friend who has a ton of all the above and let's us be as involved as we want. So we've done some body and mechanical work ourselves. As the pieces come together we will be more and more involved (the body work is 100% complete now, painting is well underway and reassembly is starting - think about it: a 2 ton, massive lego set!!!).

The kids have done 100% of the design. Everything. The layout of the dash, the position of the middle row seats, the stereo system and location of speakers and controls, they've chosen every part and accessory, the color of the body. The two oldest are intimately involved with the design and construction of the electronics. The 12 year old has done a lot of the arduino coding with me. The 9 year old has done lot's of the circuit design, soldering, etc.

In a perfect world we would have done all the restoration, but their age and the insane amount of time this has taken would not be realistic.

In the end it will be the hand labor of many people, but it will really have their signature and spirit all over.

------ Follow up post added February 6th, 2015 11:37 AM ------

Quote:
Originally Posted by samer0214 View Post
Very nice build and project. I think you've piked a lot of interest, especially with your "modernization" of your defender. You've certainly got me interested and motivated, especially when it comes to the electronics.

I'd be very interested in the list of components and code, and look forward to the information.
We are in the final stages of assembly with the electronics. After we do a real-world test I will post the full list of components, diagrams for the printed circuit boards and wiring, and I will try to upload the code for the separate boards.

The last few days have been really interesting in trying to figure out how to accurately measure speed from a hall-effect sensor connected through the old speedometer cable so we can get average speeds and fuel economy. As a result we've changed sensors and transducers a couple of times!
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old February 6th, 2015, 11:41 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Here are some Before/After pictures:

Engine
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	100_2075.jpg
Views:	152
Size:	112.9 KB
ID:	112971   Click image for larger version

Name:	100_2290.jpg
Views:	159
Size:	102.5 KB
ID:	112972  

Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old February 6th, 2015, 11:44 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Bulkhead:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	100_1890.jpg
Views:	155
Size:	102.8 KB
ID:	112973   Click image for larger version

Name:	040 (2).jpg
Views:	158
Size:	87.5 KB
ID:	112974  

Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old February 6th, 2015, 11:48 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Undercarriage:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	100_2106.jpg
Views:	147
Size:	93.5 KB
ID:	112975   Click image for larger version

Name:	2014-11-12 17.30.11.jpg
Views:	149
Size:	62.5 KB
ID:	112976  

Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0707.jpg
Views:	149
Size:	67.9 KB
ID:	112977  
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old February 17th, 2015, 08:37 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Lots accomplished this weekend. I think we can officially say we have hit the lowest denominator and we are officially starting to put everything back together. I can't quite see light at the end of the tunnel yet, but at least I can now see the tunnel!

Here's the boys hard at work. We finished the drum covers on the rear brakes, covering with the same undercarriage paint we used on the chassis:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 11.41.28.jpg
Views:	140
Size:	87.8 KB
ID:	113976   Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 11.44.58.jpg
Views:	139
Size:	83.5 KB
ID:	113977  

Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 12.48.09.jpg
Views:	159
Size:	96.4 KB
ID:	113978  
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old February 17th, 2015, 08:39 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
Also got some work on the ol'sand blaster. They blasted the shock cones and our freshly made rear-seat belt brackets. Those were needed to accommodate the fact that we moved the rear seats back about 3 inches:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 11.19.24.jpg
Views:	98
Size:	73.5 KB
ID:	113979   Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 11.41.20.jpg
Views:	94
Size:	69.5 KB
ID:	113980  

Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 11.33.53.jpg
Views:	111
Size:	95.1 KB
ID:	113981  
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old February 17th, 2015, 08:42 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
The highlight of the weekend was the manufacture of the mount bracket for the Vintage Air A/C unit compressor. Got to use a good old fashion machine shop and the results were amazing!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 12.13.11.jpg
Views:	111
Size:	62.5 KB
ID:	113982   Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 12.14.42.jpg
Views:	108
Size:	85.3 KB
ID:	113983  

Click image for larger version

Name:	2015-02-16 12.31.46.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	74.3 KB
ID:	113984  
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old February 17th, 2015, 08:43 AM
Azarur
Status: Offline
AZ
LR 1984 110
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: California
Posts: 292
The final pieces of body work were also completed (although the boys had nothing to do with that part!!!). The bulkhead is now DONE and the last fender has been thoroughly repaired after the previous people thought it would be a great idea to punch 40 holes on it to mount some horrendous plastic diamond pattern cover. Getting this thing square and structurally sound was no small feat!!
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old February 17th, 2015, 08:44 AM
phoenix37's Avatar
phoenix37
Status: Offline
john
97 D90 ST / 1957 S1 109/ 1983 LS110
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Venice, CA/Yarmouth,ME
Posts: 5,791
Registry
the last picture says it all! The sense of pride your kids will feel from helping dad build this truck and that experience will last them a life time… priceless. great stuff.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Defender Source > Build-up's, Projects & Registry Profiles > Truck Build-up's & Restores

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Axle Pressure and Too Much Fluid Wolf Fabrication Defender Technical Discussions 12 December 30th, 2009 03:26 PM
too much time now bharris Misc. Chit-Chat 7 June 24th, 2009 09:43 AM
How can someone have TOO MUCH FUN? Overlander Misc. Chit-Chat 6 August 8th, 2007 11:52 AM
Sagging Suspension: How Much is Too Much? aclarke Defender Technical Discussions 9 June 19th, 2007 04:41 PM
TOO MUCH STUFF, Disco/RRC/Series/Defender/P38 GARAGE SALE RedRhinoProducts For Sale - Parts 5 May 20th, 2006 09:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:26 AM.


Copyright