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Old February 3rd, 2013, 11:39 PM
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Defender 110 and want to restore , was 200 tdi and ant upgrade

Have. Camel trophy 110 , was 200 tdi and a mechanic made huge mistake and killed the engine. ( wrong timing belt ), day later dead. Has lt77 was a rebuild I placed in it a year before. Want to farm off restore. Want to place new engine , i have heard too much and don't know where to start. Japan , Mercedes, ( 300 tdi) , 2.8 l tgva, or American. Just wanted idea to rebuild with good drivable power . Such as engine and or power train.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 11:46 PM
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Please sell the truck before you destroy a piece of history.
Post it's information with pics etc in classified.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:11 AM
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I have to agree with the previous posts, I have a CT110 and I did change the engine but from a 2.5TD to a 200TDI. That would be the best way to go. If you really want to do this as a frame up resto look at "The Rover Shop" on expeditionportal.com and his build. It is truly epic.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 01:07 AM
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Restore is to preserve, since its a true camel , there is corrosion and man things if not restored will gradually destroy completely . In a dream world could leave it in original state but since that state will gradually destroy it. Rust and corrosion ( how would you get rid of that without restore ? As will engine , it's dead. And if I sell , then someone else would have a large piece of metal that doesn't run. All I can do is save original parts and restore to function what I can . Helpful responses would be appreciated.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 03:05 AM
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it would sell on here!
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Old February 4th, 2013, 06:21 AM
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There are several of us who would buy it as is- but please do not do anything that has to be welded- like motor mounts to utilize a different drivetrain. As Chris Solas did above, the 200 bolts in where the old 2.5TD was, allowing an upgrade without altering the truck. You can also source a new 200 from places like Turner in the UK.
As far as corrosion repair, obviously that is acceptable and encouraged- but repair needs to be period correct. Also as stated above, many of these trucks have every bump and bruise documented- see CTOC if you are not already a member. Feel free to contact me if you need additional info for same.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:46 AM
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let's see some pics and what you'd want for it as-is

Also, who was the shop?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:48 AM
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You'll get a lot of opinions and it also depends on what your driving habits are etc, but I'd stick with the 200TDi, especially if its truly a CT.

They are out there (for sale) but I'd start with a freshly rebuilt one from a good builder.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:56 AM
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Thanks dale , that what I was looking for. As with document every bump, unless you had it right out of the race first owner well no one could really say then. The truck was owned before me therefore I'm undoing a lot of mess, it took forever find ( out of luck ) the equipment that went with it original. Scattered. As of time restoring to original ( critics don't have a clue) the time to find where original parts are place ( even old rusted rack is on the wall and scarab Beatle and red sand in a jar rescued when working on the truck). The eight wheels and tires other than one on hood also displayed on wall. As with document ever ding, with previous 2 owners not doing it it is only speculative what they were from , therefore window has passed before me ( could have been old half blind granny in parking lot as far as anyone knows) . There were 3 things that were preserved that had to be from the race, other that those rest would have limited evidence of where or when they came.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:49 AM
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There was an article in the Land Rover Owners International, this months issue I believe. Was about this guy in Belgium(?) that caters to camel trophy trucks and he owns a lot of camel trucks that he has restored. Might want to get eyes on that article. Another place to look up is Dunsfold in the UK. Look forward to seeing you at a Rover event in the future. Also there are clubs in your area if your interested.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:11 AM
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Going with a 200 tdi would be your best path imo as it keeps the vehicle period correct and is the most straightforward fix.

Insofar as the overall restoration of the vehicle is concerned, that's of course a personal decision. Some prefer them with all the bumps and bruises, others prefer the vehicles to be closer to their "new" condition. And then there is the question of keeping them completely true to their original builds or enhancing them (example: lockers, better shocks, etc).

Fortunately much of the original equipment for these vehicles is still readily available. Brownchurch still makes the roof racks (or will make you one), Safety Devices still have the orignal roll cage plans, and parts and panels for 1993 D110's in the UK are common, much as Ford or GM pickup parts are in NA. Some of the harder items to find are event specfic stickers and decals.

If you do need help, The Camel Trophy Owners Club would be a good thing to join. Lots of very knowledgable people there on the Camel vehicles.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 10:41 AM
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The advantage of the CTOC is as members, we get first dibs- on trucks and bits, so you definitely want to join there. The documentation I mentioned is by enthusiast and participants as to how it looked following the event.
Bottom line, it is your truck, but it is also piece of history. I sold mine, and the new owner did upgrade it, and is driving it, which I think is great!! He did leave the patina, and with only 8k miles, it was easy to gather it's history as it went from the event to a museum/collector in Holland, then on to me.
Again, feel free to contact me if you need resources, contacts, etc, and above all- enjoy the old girl in whatever capacity you feel comfortable... I looked at ownership more as a steward while it was in my care, but that is just my perspective.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Barry, I have a shop in Elizabethtown, near Hershey. Keith Reiter and myself specialise in only Land Rovers: routine maintenance, sympathetic renovations, and restorations.
We're about to start on another D90 frame replacement, a 200TDi replacement on a local customer's 110, as well as several other Rover projects.
I believe your 110's needs are right in line with the work we perform on a regular basis. Please feel free to contact me to discuss your 110.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:10 PM
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What is wrong with the engine? if the timing belt broke (which happened a lot on the 200's) worst case was bent push rods and maybe cracked rocker arms.
The pistons are dead in line with the valves, so rarely did the valves "bend" (if they did, then you may get away with just changing the bent valves)

Don't think I've ever heard of a head being toast from the belt snapping. Heck, my old 200 belt gave way about 6 times during its life. each time I was lucky, it just needed a set of pushrods (Which incidentally are the same as series 2.25 ones)
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Old February 4th, 2013, 01:05 PM
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Yeah, snapped timing belt or wrong belt with horrible timing shouldn't kill the whole truck. Believe me, I have tried in my brief ownership to destroy mine through mechanical oops but she is on the road, running strong, looking beat to hell but upgraded none the less. (Rewiring headlights, adding bits that aren't stock but a few beers and a few hours and it is all off the truck). I chose to even go with the big whip antenna blah blah but that's me. Click image for larger version

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Either way you go, Camel Trophy club is awesome. And on expo it's Shayne aka The Rover Shop. He has a huge build thread there on his resto.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 01:12 PM
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is that a new dent I see Chris, LOL!!!!

And Trevor would be a good one to help you out for sure..
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Old February 4th, 2013, 01:51 PM
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What does killed/dead engine mean?????

I have fixed 2 TDI engines that had internal collisions.
One a 300TDI that was relatively new with about 1000 miles from the factory.
A valve stuck open, was hit by the piston, broke off part of the valve, tore up the head & piston , and finally bent the rod when it stopped. Replaced the head, rod & piston, big end bearings, and it now has over 20,000 miles trouble free and still going.

The second was a 200TDI that snapped a timing belt and bent all the push rods.
In this case the head was found to have a non-repairable crack.
So replaced the timing belt and installed a 300TDI head, new push rods, and the engine runs great.

Your current 200TDI may be very repairable, but you didn't provide any details.

Define killed/dead the engine, please?
This term is generally not used unless one is referencing a catastrophic failure like a thrown rod that punched a hole through the block and damaged the crank and other 3 rods as to render them useless.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 05:42 PM
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I didn't tear it apart yet ( myself ) to see exactly , I did almost every thing with restore to date with father in law. I Trusted local mechanic to do the belt (I didn't have heated shop and let him do it during last winter) my father In law quick diagnosed the post mess and all he said it was bad. When it went down , Oil on winsheild of guy behind me , then grinding , engine stopped then smoke. After, i prepared to store since in my dry barn and have too pissed to look myself to be honest, I look at it and get sick.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:52 PM
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Is it a Dutch teams vehicle?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:27 PM
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Front 1/4 panel dent is old and actually gone. Hated to pound it out but couldn't get the wing off (just the outer panel) to run wires for upgrading headlight wires etc. which if you drive a defender and haven't added relays to your headlights you are missing out, just sayin. Few new pin strips and possibly a dent in the chassis but nothing major to the body. All the trouble was from a suspect 200 tdi my own fault for not tearing it down prior to installation.
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