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Old October 24th, 2013, 03:16 PM
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A little more progress but about 90% done fabrication wise. It seems to hold my 35's no problem. The only issue being I have to put them on backwards. After rough calculations it looks like the tire should be a 2" taller and 2" closer to the vehicle - compared to a stock tire carrier setup.

Like Evilfij said the hinges will be the weak link. I will use stock for now and then fabricate a pair of HD ones using a hinge kit off of eBay. They have bushings much like the ST tire carrier so it should be plenty. But I will see how far the stock hinges last.

I am hoping I can prime and paint it next week and finally have a tailgate on this thing by the end of next week. I want to finish getting the rear lights sorted and the back seats back installed before it gets cold.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 03:35 PM
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I like the tailgate Don. If you are going to fill the gaps in with plate, it would be neat if you could have the panels be recessed, like a stock tailgate.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:05 PM
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I like the tailgate Don. If you are going to fill the gaps in with plate, it would be neat if you could have the panels be recessed, like a stock tailgate.
Hey Macker - thanks - I am going to use a cut down SW door skin to cover it up. So it will be smooth on the outside. On the inside I might keep it bare and just paint it. That way I can keep an eye on the structure and if any cracks develop.

Although I do like your idea - thin gauge could be cut and butt welded in between and would look pretty neat.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:08 PM
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Either way will be neat. the SW skin will make it look nice and clean. I always liked how the tailgates have some shape to them. Prob why I have a tailgate and liftgate on my truck... I'll be interested to see how the standard hinges hold up. I bet they will last a while.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:16 PM
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I'm sure it will fit right in either way. But aren't you concerned about the weight on the tub edge? I'd consider making an inner brace to transfer the load to the frame from the hinges. At least on the NAS carrier a good portion of the weight goes directly to the frame and the top mount is at the strongest point of the tub (the corner).
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Old October 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM
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I'm sure it will fit right in either way. But aren't you concerned about the weight on the tub edge? I'd consider making an inner brace to transfer the load to the frame from the hinges. At least on the NAS carrier a good portion of the weight goes directly to the frame and the top mount is at the strongest point of the tub (the corner).
Great points Charles. When I do the rebuild I was planning to make a piece that will tie into the upper cage from the P&P cage piece that is bolted to the rear cross member. I will add some plate and angle iron and tie that with the upper hinge (I will look to reinforce the whole corner).

But doing some mental calculations I think it might be fine as is:
- the P&P cage upper ties both tub corners together which at least "seat of the pants" feels much stiffer than a stock SW config.
- the ST carrier is out a couple of inches and from the corner/hinge to where the tire weight is, is longer. (I was thinking of it as a 4' wide fence gate hung on a 4x4 post - the ST vs a 2' wide fence gate hung on a 2x4 boxed section - my tailgate)
- my next step is to weigh both gate frames and see the difference. My gate is thicker gauge but less metal so will see. My guess is my gate would be lighter than a bottom of a SW door if it had wiring, washer, wiper.

And yes I know I am way overthinking it
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Yeah the cage alone probably makes a big enough of a difference - i hadn't thought of that. But tying into it would definitely do the trick.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 07:21 AM
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Don, will this beast be at Rovers on the Rocks? I hope so.

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Old October 25th, 2013, 07:25 AM
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Don, will this beast be at Rovers on the Rocks? I hope so. Clay
I hope so to!

I have a few things that would need to be done but it is possible. Hoping I can get a day away from the house and family to get out there tho.
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Hey don. Was talking to ANOTHER close friend of mine today who started talking about a "guy" he knew in Monmouth that was a cool dude and worked on land rovers and had a few only to find out he was talking about you.... His name is brad gethard....... You know him?
Small world....
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Old October 25th, 2013, 07:03 PM
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Hey don. Was talking to ANOTHER close friend of mine today who started talking about a "guy" he knew in Monmouth that was a cool dude and worked on land rovers and had a few only to find out he was talking about you.... His name is brad gethard....... You know him? Small world....
Haha - o man you know Brad too? Very small world. He has a Suzuki that he is building from what I have see on IG. I have known Brad from riding bikes since the late 90's and saw him at the trails this summer a few times. Do you know him thru Garret?
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:23 PM
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man ive known him since middle school......he went to the same schools as garrett so i guess we always just hung out in the same crowd.......i follow him on instagram as well....and he was telling me all about the samari today...sounds pretty sweet..... hes definetly good guy...

whats your instagram? feel free to PM it if you dont want the entire defender source following you
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Old October 28th, 2013, 05:46 PM
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Kolton - my IG is donatdnt

Got some more done on my gate.

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Fab and weld work finally done.

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Outside of the gate

I need to sand primer and paint the tire holder. And prep the skin. I wanted to paint the frame as best I could and then will paint again when the skin goes on.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 07:20 PM
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Trust me, I think I've read that thread 50 times. I'm a **** hair away on pulling the trigger on the kit but have been waiting on someone to do a write up of the install.

I ask about your engine choice because I've seen in other threads (pirate maybe?) where good ones aren't so easy to come by because the junk yard folks know they are sought after.

700 isn't too bad
I've seen plenty make it to scrap, which means you should be able to pick up a whole car for under a grand and swipe the motor, problem is, they are almost all 200k+ at this point. They rot out up here, so thats why they get scrapped.

Don, truck looks good, good luck with the frame and motor swap.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 10:03 PM
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I've seen plenty make it to scrap, which means you should be able to pick up a whole car for under a grand and swipe the motor, problem is, they are almost all 200k+ at this point. They rot out up here, so thats why they get scrapped. Don, truck looks good, good luck with the frame and motor swap.
Besides boneyards/car-parts.com another place to look for OM617 motors are the local euro shops. I stopped in the local Mercedes mechanic and asked if they had any turbo diesel motors. The guy gave me a call the other day saying he has one he will pull from the 300TD he has had in the yard for someone. It would have been a lot easier for me to get but I already have one sitting in the garage. So like you said they are out there / just need to look and ask around.

Thanks for the props and wishes John!

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Very nice! I like these types of upgrades. -Jeff
Thanks Jeff - the gate has been overkill as far as time spent but I have enjoyed putting it together and have hopefully developed some news skills.

I am hoping I can get the skin on it this week and shoot it with paint as soon as I order more.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 01:30 PM
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Got a little Rover chrome into the garage today. Thanks Zack @ Rovers North!

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Old November 13th, 2013, 02:57 PM
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A little more work done on the gate.

Skin back on and I ended folded the extra material and then pop riveting it. If I make an interior panel for it then it will blend in pretty well.

I drove around with the Wolf/255 on it and it seemed solid even with the latch not 100% bolted on - no rattles like my exterior ST one used to do.

I am also redoing the latch plate. The latch didn't sit flush and it looked like shit. I am not dialed on welding thin gauge so hopefully I won't flub it up too bad.


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Old November 13th, 2013, 03:00 PM
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BTW - there is a bow to the top. I put one of the verticals in the wrong spot and when I cut it out it was shorter and brought the top tube down. I am frustrated but putting it in as another lesson in fabrication...
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That came out sweet!
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That came out sweet!
Thanks! Hopefully with some warm weather over the next couple of days I can throw some blue paint on it.
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