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Old January 2nd, 2010, 11:32 AM
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I feel they are pretty bright, but you are onto something here. Perhaps a full on side by side comparison between the X-Lites on the D90 and my Disco's Hella 4000s is in order!
Yes PLEASE!!!
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 01:31 PM
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X-Lite vs. Hella 4000 Comparison Test will happen tonight then. I am thinking find a good spot with an object like a shed in the distance and then one at at time park each truck in the same location and take a photo showing how well the shed is illuminated. Ill try and get a shot without the headlamps on, then one with, etc etc.

I will go ahead and point out a couple of things that might matter to most people regarding these lamps. First, the Hella 4K uses a 100W bulb. That means that as the available battery voltage changes, a pair will draw as high as 22A depending on if you are winching or running down the road. So the most you can power through one 30A relay is two- and as most everone throws 4 on the roof, there is a little extra work in wiring two relays to power two pair. The X-Lites however are only 50W each, meaning it is safe to wire all 4 together powered by a single 30A relay. Also for the Hella 4K, most of your local parts stores will have replacement bulbs of the same physical type but with a 50 or 55 watt rating- if you burn out a bulb replacements can sometimes be tough to find. The X-lites use bulbs straight out of light fixtures found in homes and offices, I literally have several of the same bulbs hanging from a ugly lamp in my kitchen. While the Hellas can get pretty warm, the bulb is pretty well protected inside the housing. The bulb is well exposed on the x-lite and I am pretty sure it gets quite hot- a splash of water on it might be all it takes to blow the bulb. Covers are available for the hellas (3 types at least) but nothing for the X-lites. Hella 4000s are designed to be, and usually are, waterproof. The X-lites have a big open hole in the bottom where the wiring enters. The actual bulb is the same for all 4000s and it is protected behind the lens. Different variants (euro beam, pencil beam, fog, etc) of the 4000 are created by using different combinations of reflectors and lenses. The lens is part of the bulb itself on the x-lite, and the spot and fog variants are only different in bulb design alone. The Hella 4K mounts in the traditional way on a stud, then is adjusted on a special swivel mount. It can be pointed up/down to a certian extent and adjusted left/right easily. The X-lite butts up against the roll bar and mounts via a standard type hose clamp and can only be adjusted up/down.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 07:53 PM
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Ste: I got your pictures taken today, but later it was so cold I hit the wrong button and deleted ALL of them, so I will try again tomorrow.



OK
No flash was used, pictures were taken after dark, before the moon was high enough to make a difference. The first pics were taken 20 feet in front of the truck with just headlamps on, second with headlamps and roof lamps. Then from inside, center of the dash area, .5 second exposure- first with just headlamps, then with headlamps and roof lamps. No highbeams were used at all.

The D90 has stock headlamp wiring, with brand new Sylvania Silverstar Headlamps, and mounted to the top of the roll bar over the windscreen- two fog X-Lites (outer) and two spot X-lites (inner).

The Disco has stock headlamp wiring, with 2yr old Sylvania Silverstar bulbs, in dirty D2 housings that are almost 4 years old and at least one has condensation inside at the moment. On the roof rack are 4 Hella 4000 Euro beam lamps.

Voltmeters on both trucks read 13.7 volts at time of test.

1. D90 with just headlamps on
2. D90 with headlamps and X-Lites on
3. D90 just headlamps
4. D90 headlamps and X-Lites

5. Disco with just headlamps
6. Disco with headlamps and Hellas on
7. Disco with just headlamps
8. Disco with all lamps on

You be the judge!!
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 10:29 PM
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Or shim the ones you have even know the the nut will not lock well and just test it around the block. If it goes away, then I would go for different links and be done with it.. Whats a few more $$$$$ lol
Today I bit the bullet and made an attempt to shim the rear links out, went as far as I could and still get the nut on there (about 1/2 inch) and it wasn't enough. I looked on the Disco and the RTE links are shimmed out 13/16 and I don't think that is even quite enough.



ALSO I MEASURED THE TIRES and at 40psi they only measure 32 11/16 tall, and the tread is 9.5 wide. Kinda lame considering the Interco spec is 33.9 and 11.4 wide. They sure look big as hell though.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 12:07 PM
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1. D90 with just headlamps on
2. D90 with headlamps and X-Lites on
3. D90 just headlamps
4. D90 headlamps and X-Lites

5. Disco with just headlamps
6. Disco with headlamps and Hellas on
7. Disco with just headlamps
8. Disco with all lamps on

You be the judge!!
Wow. Thanks Joel for taking the time to do that. It looks like the D90's lights are aimed a little lower than the Disco's as the glare is much more in the "frontal" shot. That being said, the Hella's seem too give off a crisper image with a more focused beam. If anyone else interprets this differently let me know- this is just an amateur observation. i like the looks of the new lights on the Rover but I like the performance of the Hella's- enough to offset the coolness factor of the X-Lites. I think you just saved me some $ and possible buyers remorse! Thank you!!!
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 12:20 PM
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Jay the Disco is a lot taller too. I agree the X-Lites look great, and dont get me wrong, they do put out a lot of light, but its hard to compete with the sheer size and double wattage of the Hellas. Keep in mind also that I am using Euro beam 4000s. If I had a more similar array to the two fog and two spot on the D-90, such as two fog 4000s and two pencil 4000 it wouldnt even be close to a fair fight.

What really made the difference for me is behind that shed is another house, and then a 6 lane highway, and an intersection with a RR crossing. With the Hellas I could light up the reflective tape on the crossing arms from over 120 yards.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 12:33 PM
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Today I bit the bullet and made an attempt to shim the rear links out, went as far as I could and still get the nut on there (about 1/2 inch) and it wasn't enough. I looked on the Disco and the RTE links are shimmed out 13/16 and I don't think that is even quite enough.



ALSO I MEASURED THE TIRES and at 40psi they only measure 32 11/16 tall, and the tread is 9.5 wide. Kinda lame considering the Interco spec is 33.9 and 11.4 wide. They sure look big as hell though.
Thanks a lot for the measure...
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 11:52 PM
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 11:55 PM
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Joel, came out great! That color looks good on the black.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Yeah I think the window tint looks pretty good, its max legal in NC, 35%.

What do you all think of the tailpipe? Does it seem to stick out in an odd way?

Keep in mind I have not resolved the fender flare situation yet or gotten the wingtop protectors on, so its not done yet.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 01:03 PM
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What do you all think of the tailpipe? Does it seem to stick out in an odd way?
That's how mine used to look. It will change if you take it on trails though
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I love this truck. Great job. Tailpipe looks fine.
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tailpipe looks stock, how much was the tint job?
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Tailpipe is stock, tint is 35%

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get that shit bent right so it comes from the top down.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:36 PM
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Yeah I think the window tint looks pretty good, its max legal in NC, 35%.

What do you all think of the tailpipe? Does it seem to stick out in an odd way?

Keep in mind I have not resolved the fender flare situation yet or gotten the wingtop protectors on, so its not done yet.
Rear bumper needs to be black to balance front bumper and sliders......doesn't look right.
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Truck's gone to the paint shop today, big problem now is finding a suitable paint for the new fender flares...
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 02:25 PM
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I think we vetoed 3 dozen paints before just deciding to just go with a Dupont flat plastic paint for the fender flares, but they should look fine. Truck will be back from the paint shop possibly as soon as tomorrow, then I can finish up the list of little left-over items-

Wingtop Protectors
Rear seat trim
Right Rear sidemarker
Aim X-lites
Front Diff guard
new RTE rear links


Found a place local who can hopefully modify the Tuffy console we have to work in the truck, then the Engle can go in. Then its detail, snap a few final pics and I'll be done. (fingers crossed!)
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 02:39 PM
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Found a place local who can hopefully modify the Tuffy console we have to work in the truck, then the Engle can go in. Then its detail, snap a few final pics and I'll be done. (fingers crossed!)
Be very interested to see what you do with the Tuffy to accomodate the Auto set up. Waiting patiently for lots of pics....
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