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Old January 20th, 2016, 12:00 AM
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I think not galvanizing is a huge mistake. It will work great. I have never heard anyone say they were upset they galvanized a frame.
I'm just worried about doing more damage to my frame due to the overall process of chemically treating to remove all of the waxoyl, road grime, paint, and everything else PRIOR to galvanizing.

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I'm just worried about doing more damage to my frame due to the overall process of chemically treating to remove all of the waxoyl, road grime, paint, and everything else PRIOR to galvanizing.

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Unfounded fear. Are you aware that galvanizers just burn all that old stuff off? Poof. Right up smoke.

I felt the same way as you until cgalpin convinced me to galv my frame. I resisted, but in the end i realized i was simply ignorant and afraid of the unknown. Galvy is amazing.

To galvanizers, your rover frame, which seems so large and intimidating in your garage, is nothing but a dirty speck.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 07:28 AM
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not to hijack... but do you have to drill drain holes to galvanize? thinking about having one done as well.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 07:47 AM
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If your frame won't sink in the zinc, it will need holes. The stock frame has a heckuva lot of holes. No structure can be closed / sealed.

If you ask a galvanizer to galv a steel sphere, they will drill holes in it without asking and give it back to you galvanized inside and out.

These people are used to dipping literally hundreds of things at a time, spans of prefab bridges, trusses, etc. They work fast and quite frankly are unafraid of pansy little land rover frames. If it floats in the zinc, they will find a way to sink it.

If you give them some complicated, bolted together thing, they will dip the whole thing gold finger style and give it back to you completely sealed in zinc. If you had some aluminum in there, it will end up as dross in the kettle.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 07:40 PM
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Eric, or others can chime in...
How many cans of Waxoyl-Fog do you think it would take to do the inside of a 90 frame?

I have a brand new frame so I dont want to strip/galv but I'd like to do the waxoyl fog treatment...



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Old January 20th, 2016, 09:50 PM
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A brand new frame is perfect to galvanize. Seriously. I have galvanized an unobtainium NAS 110 bulkhead, a brand new bulkhead and all sorts of little stuff no problem. Some rusty some new. Basically if it is steel, galvanize it. It won't hurt and you now have a forever part.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 10:05 PM
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Eric, please trust us when we say the galvanizing process will only improve it and it's the only way to make it last. You will not regret it, and it will improve resale value if you ever sell. And at least around here it's actually quite affordable too.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 12:25 AM
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Ed, Charles, Ron and others have made great points and should be plenty of info to make you want to galvy at least the chassis. Like Ron said - if it is steel get it galvanized. I felt once I did my first piece and learned the process I brought almost every steel piece.

Another couple of points:

- I feel a plain galvy chassis brightens up underneath. My chassis is 2 years old but it hasn't been on road long at all. Maybe it will get darker but I love how things are easier to "see" while working underneath. Unfortunately you do see leaks more (but easier to see where they are coming from).

- I know with my build it was just easier to send items out to get finished (be it powder coated or galvy). Yes, you'll have to chase threads and clean up certain things but just working with something "clean" is a lot more enjoyable. Plus once you add up costs of materials (need to include sand paper/grinding disk/etc) it might not be far off cost wise.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 09:04 AM
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In my case, I just don't have the extra time and my frame is new so I'm not going the galvy route.
I take care of my frames though.
I am going to do the wax-fog on the internal however.
I may even do the Hunter...
Crazy, huh?

Eric may have other options closer to him.


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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:48 PM
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Oh, I've done a bunch of calling and emailing around to places in the southeast. No one wants to touch a frame to galvanize. I *do* have a place that will do a wicked chem-dip, but that leaves me a completely bare chassis. We can argue till the cows come home if that is good or bad

Yesterday, got the fuel tank pulled out of the truck and called it. Damned carpal tunnel is acting up so I was limited.

Photos included to give you an idea of condition. Funny to see how little prep work they did when they welded on the repair bit :/
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:50 PM
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Not sure how far you are from me in Raleigh. But I have a Galvi shop that will do the frame if you have it dipped first.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:55 PM
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Not sure how far you are from me in Raleigh. But I have a Galvi shop that will do the frame if you have it dipped first.
About 4-4.5 hours away. Which shop is that?
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:15 PM
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South Atlantic just south of Graham, they have done a couple chassis's for me. I just dropped a load off on Friday...
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Old January 24th, 2016, 09:02 PM
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My wife and I made the call - we're going to strip down the chassis and haul it up to NC for dipping and galvanizing after I get it all fixed up. While this process is sure to expose that some sections of the chassis are thin, it'll probably be better than going through the waxoyl process right off the bat.

Today:
  • Got the struts removed after much cursing; the bottom nut was completely seized up on the front struts, so out came the plasma cutter. Rears came out no problem, but discovered that the rear mounting brackets were hacked up sometime in the past by someone with a angle grinder. WTH?
  • Removed the front seatbox and hauled it up into the attic. Electric chain hoist FTW!
  • Fired up my electrolysis rig and started to derust the rear door-check brackets that were downright nasty.
  • Put a bunch of stuff up for sale.

Tomorrow:

Pick up two sticks of box steel and some casters so I can fab up a jig to hold the engine and transmission and have it all easily movable in my garage while the frame is out getting worked on. And then get to work on fabbing it up, and if time permits, yanking the lump out of the frame!
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Old January 24th, 2016, 09:13 PM
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wow, your workshop and attic are what dreams are made of

nice work yet again and good call on the chassis!
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Old January 24th, 2016, 09:25 PM
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Congrats...Im amazed you have a wife that is helping you with the restoration....I can barely get my wife to turn a key when I need her to!
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Old January 24th, 2016, 09:45 PM
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Congrats...Im amazed you have a wife that is helping you with the restoration....I can barely get my wife to turn a key when I need her to!
Yep, she's pretty awesome! She totally digs the Defender.

The whole reason we have this thing is that we rented one in Iceland and toured all over the highlands and had some great memories! We're building this up to kind of keep that awesome vacation alive.
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Old January 24th, 2016, 09:58 PM
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Just a tip: forget electrolytic rust removal. Phosphoric acid dipping is significantly more effective.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 12:47 AM
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Tonight, started to fab up the engine/trans cradle. I've still to add the longitudional gussets and the wheels so that it's able to be moved around. Not bad for 3 hours of work in the garage.
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