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Old June 27th, 2014, 09:56 AM
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Yes it was reported stolen as soon as the owner found out it was missing... And I don't believe it was used as a snow plow.. I believe the term was light plow (basically a rake from what I understand) in the guys horse arena... And the owner didn't lend it to the mud bog guy... The brother did.. The same with the mechanic.. The owner parked it at his brothers house and as far as he knew I guess he thought it was safe.. Hindsight is 20/20... And as far as looking for coin.. How is everyone looking to gain from this... It needs to go back to its rightful owner.. How does anyone else other than the "purchaser" gain any coin... The only person blinded by coin is tohellurides...

------ Follow up post added June 27th, 2014 10:02 AM ------

Like it's been said a few times... A camel trophy truck (even yet unverified at time of "purchasing") for $1500-$2000 in the middle of the Colorado desert (especially since the "purchaser by his own admissions was educated in land rovers and camel trophy trucks) seems a fishy to me... And you can't tell me with complete conviction that the "purchaser" didn't think something may be up... Let's see, we have a bill of sale to Webb Arnold.. And then nothing after that... My (and most reasonably thinking peoples) next question would have been.. Who is this Webb Arnold guy and where is he and where is a bill of sale from him to me..

------ Follow up post added June 27th, 2014 10:02 AM ------

Unless of course he didn't want to know the answer to those questions..
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Old June 27th, 2014, 10:07 AM
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My apologies.. I see where it was said used as snow plow... But serious.. Have you seen what these things went through before... Snow plow is a menial task for this truck...
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All of this speculation is just ridiculous none of you were there none of you have the details.

There are many different scenarios where web could still be the owner or tohelluride it will not be resolved in this court of opinion and all you are doing is stirring the pot getting agencies involved that may end up crushing the disco or forcing it to be exported.

If Webb believes that he is the rightful owner and wants to pursue getting it back them let him go through the proper channels.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 10:23 AM
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Is this vehicle stolen? Was this vehicle reported stolen? Wouldn't that have surfaced in the initial court proceedings?

I mean, your brother keeps pounding on everyone (Shayne) about posting opinions and that they are going to get the hammer brought down on them just for these opinion statements. I'd think allegations of accusing someone of having a stolen vehicle would fall into this category.
I'm not accusing the seller of stealing anything. I'm certain he was a good faith purchaser. However it may be unfortunate for him, or anyone else who makes a purchase of goods in Colorado for that matter, I think based on the laws i just posted, in the wild west, if at any point the property purchased were sold with out the permission of the original owner(ie:stolen), the purchasers actions could still be considered illegal. I think it is the responsibility of the purchaser to make 100% certain that goods purchased are not stolen. Not doing so, in Colorado, based on my limited understanding of the law, would appear to be illegal.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 10:46 AM
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Not doing so, in Colorado, based on my limited understanding of the law, would appear to be illegal.
Same goes for Virginia. MY parents next door neighbour bought a stolen car, not knowing it was stolen, only to have if confiscated by the police 6 months later. The seller was no where to be found, so they were just out $20k.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 10:48 AM
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Same goes for Virginia. MY parents next door neighbour bought a stolen car, not knowing it was stolen, only to have if confiscated by the police 6 months later. The seller was no where to be found, so they were just out $20k.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Brought it into a dealership for service, vin on the dash and vin on the chassis were different, one was reported stolen.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 10:49 AM
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I'm not accusing the seller of stealing anything. I'm certain he was a good faith purchaser. However it may be unfortunate for him, or anyone else who makes a purchase of goods in Colorado for that matter, I think based on the laws i just posted, in the wild west, if at any point the property purchased were sold with out the permission of the original owner(ie:stolen), the purchasers actions could still be considered illegal. I think it is the responsibility of the purchaser to make 100% certain that goods purchased are not stolen. Not doing so, in Colorado, based on my limited understanding of the law, would appear to be illegal.
It has been to court and settled. The sheriff investigated and dropped the case. I'm quite sure that makes him legally safe.
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IDK, the more that comes out in this saga, the more I realize that both sides don't have or are not willing to share all the facts (which is understandable if they plan on going back to court).

I end up with more questions with every post I read. For example, if the truck was brought over to "Bob the Miner" without Webb's knowlege and allowed by Webb's Brother, then why does Bob THe Miner have all the paperwork? There would be no need for Bob the Miner to need any paperwork if he were just using the truck temporarily for work around the farm.

I'm just saying that there is more to this story than any of us board members are getting. Clearly.

At this point rather than "pick a side" or weigh in with an opinion, I just want to know the outcome.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 11:02 AM
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All of this speculation is just ridiculous none of you were there none of you have the details. There are many different scenarios where web could still be the owner or tohelluride it will not be resolved in this court of opinion and all you are doing is stirring the pot getting agencies involved that may end up crushing the disco or forcing it to be exported. If Webb believes that he is the rightful owner and wants to pursue getting it back them let him go through the proper channels.
I like the clarity and thought you put into your post.

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Old June 27th, 2014, 11:09 AM
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.... While I'm afraid I can't restore your faith in the way the American justice system works, I can assure you that I only use the term "abandoned" because I don't know how else to describe a vehicle left in the care of another long enough that the person believes he has the right to sell it. If that is the case. .....

Brent, please clarify. Was the Disco "abandoned" on Bob's property like you said above, or did Bob acquire the Disco in a "trade" like you stated here on June 3, 2013 which appears to be the day you purchased the Disco. It also appears you knew that it was a real Camel Trophy from the moment you picked it up.


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"It's the real deal! I have proof and it's straight turbo diesel....17,000 miles....5 speed, starts right up! box full of parts, full roll cage....i mean, i literally got this for a steal......also, this is from the actual race....btw....older gent who didn't know what he really had posted on Craigslist from a trade.....technically the diesel wasn't allowed in the states due to emissions.....but there were some special editions.....but they all had complete vins and colors and were imported.........the vin is there on this one but that's it....everything is blank....also, this is a 93....the year USA won.... "



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Old June 27th, 2014, 11:11 AM
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It has been to court and settled. The sheriff investigated and dropped the case. I'm quite sure that makes him legally safe.
I agree. If Webb voluntarily went through a no appeals granted, final decision, court/mediation proceeding with Brent and lost, then he is probably SOL. (and Brent, I owe you a couple beers the next time I'm in Telluride!)

However, if Webb is permitted to appeal the courts decision, to me it seems like with all the evidence thats been discussed here, with I think the law on his side and with a decent attorney, Webb could potentially get his truck back from Brent or even the person Brent sells the truck to.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 11:13 AM
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IDK, the more that comes out in this saga, the more I realize that both sides don't have or are not willing to share all the facts (which is understandable if they plan on going back to court). I end up with more questions with every post I read. For example, if the truck was brought over to "Bob the Miner" without Webb's knowlege and allowed by Webb's Brother, then why does Bob THe Miner have all the paperwork? There would be no need for Bob the Miner to need any paperwork if he were just using the truck temporarily for work around the farm. I'm just saying that there is more to this story than any of us board members are getting. Clearly. At this point rather than "pick a side" or weigh in with an opinion, I just want to know the outcome.
Was thinking the exact same thing. What is that line? Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

The thing is, it is a really cool vehicle that I would love to at least have the option to see in public, I am sure LRNA couldn't give a shit about it so that rules them out. And there is no real Rover museum that it would be a nice piece for. Not sure Webb is the best caretaker of it if it was used for a plow and not know its true location.

And the other thing is, there is probably only a couple hundred people in the US that really could give a damn about a ratty Disco that has had a CT campaign. It would be neat if say someone like Rovers North had it for display. Not own it (I have no clue how to call that one) but able to show it's story.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Was thinking the exact same thing. What is that line? Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

The thing is, it is a really cool vehicle that I would love to at least have the option to see in public, I am sure LRNA couldn't give a shit about it so that rules them out. And there is no real Rover museum that it would be a nice piece for. Not sure Webb is the best caretaker of it if it was used for a plow and not know its true location.

And the other thing is, there is probably only a couple hundred people in the US that really could give a damn about a ratty Disco that has had a CT campaign. It would be neat if say someone like Rovers North had it for display. Not own it (I have no clue how to call that one) but able to show it's story.
I think the saddest thing about the Camel Trophy and the thing that will always keep it from garnering the type of respect it rightfully deserves is, big tobacco money. After all this is not a piece of Coca Cola memorabilia we are discussing and I think for the foreseeable future, a lot of company's like LR and perhaps even companies like Rovers North would be apprehensive about displaying such a vehicle because of the association.
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I think the saddest thing about the Camel Trophy and the thing that will always keep it from garnering the type of respect it rightfully deserves is, big tobacco money. After all this is not a piece of Coca Cola memorabilia we are discussing and I think for the foreseeable future, a lot of company's like LR and perhaps even companies like Rovers North would be apprehensive about displaying such a vehicle because of the association.
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Old June 27th, 2014, 12:33 PM
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If I were Brent I'd make this truck disappear for about 4 years or so. Let things settle down and get it past that 25yr mark, if that even matters.
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I just don't understand why anyone would treat such a valuable piece of history that way. Snow plow, farm truck?
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I just don't understand why anyone would treat such a valuable piece of history that way. Snow plow, farm truck?
Exactly. Not that it means he gives up ownership because he doesn't maintain/borderline abuses something. Yet I have a VERY hard time finding sympathy for him when he neglected it and essentially "put it out to pasture". And it kinda pisses me off when he does that and the comes back and wants to discuss how valuable it is.

All these guys jumping on the "Get ChaChi his truck back" bangwagon make me laugh. "Preserve history!!!" they say. You tell me which is preserving history better:
A) Letting the truck rot away all beat to hell being used as a farm implement
B) Being bought, fixed up, and sold to a high bidder that will possibly restore it more and will no doubt take care if it far better than ChaChi ever had or will
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Exactly. Not that it means he gives up ownership because he doesn't maintain/borderline abuses something. Yet I have a VERY hard time finding sympathy for him when he neglected it and essentially "put it out to pasture". And it kinda pisses me off when he does that and the comes back and wants to discuss how valuable it is.
Doesn't add up…

It does need to said again that this has run its course thru the legal system…
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Everyone knows that if you give the truck back to Webb its just going to be neglected like it was until it is no more.
Webb should call it a day and let it go for the same reason a homeless crackhead gives her baby up for adoption.
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I don't believe it has run its course... And people keep saying drop it.. Let a court of law decide.. Stop discussing it etc etc... If it were not for this thread a lot of this new evidence would not have come to lit... With these Facebook posts etc it shows intent and that tohellurides perjured himself under oath if he stated that it was worth no more than a regular d1... This is now public information which shows that he knew its true value before testify under oath... Shows intent to defraud... And all you people saying how dare he treat his truck like this... He has done more for the camel trophy history than ANY of you whiners out there.. How do we know how he tarted the truck.. It may have been stored in a climate controlled barn for all we know.. And I would hazard a guess that bob got the paperwork from inside the vehicle when it was borrowed from Webbs brother.. I believe Webbs brother lent it to bob for the mud bog (probably not to compete in it) in RETURN for bob supposedly replacing the ignition switch.. That was the only trade deal that was going on.. But as I mentioned bob had all the owners contact info...in order for it to be abandoned on bobs farm bob must have had to make good faith efforts of getting in touch with... The person who dropped it off..or the person who owns it... And I don't mean standing at his front door and yelling ...Webb, come and get your car.. As far as I read he has to have certified copies of signature verified mail addressed to the owner and certified copies of the newspaper adverts.. If not I am guessing that it would make the so called abandonment clause null and void..

------ Follow up post added June 27th, 2014 01:15 PM ------

And just to clarify.... It was not Webb who let it get into the state it was... That was done by it falling off a trailer on the way to a motor show under LRNA's watch..

------ Follow up post added June 27th, 2014 01:15 PM ------

But you can't just take a crackheads baby without her consent...
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