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127 de-conversion work

Can you tell me what is going on with my tub? It doesn't look like the typical hicap rear tub. Normally there is some separation from the tub and the cab. If you look at the close up pic, there is a strip covering where that gap would be. Should I be requesting my body guy to remove that? This is a 1989 127.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:17 PM
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:18 PM
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:21 PM
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If memory serves, a couple of "Station wagon" 127/130s were made for/in South Africa. This could be one of them that has been converted back to double cab.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:23 PM
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A 110 2 door tub has been grafted to a double cab upper panel. No there is nothing high cap about this set up. The tub you have is single wall, hcpu beds are double wall construction. A normal hcpu bed would over hang the rear cross member. The bed you picture is shorter and is flush with the rear cross member.

The factory made a few like this for the dutch military.
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That is not the standard rear body.
It does not have a Hi-Cap rear bed like a factory 130 setup.
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The back of the crew cab is definitely home brew, ditto roof as well. Shame not to use the real thing for those parts.

See photos in post 7. http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...cab-46423.html

I also think that the Netherlands tax system required this kind of 130 body work.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:34 PM
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That interesting. The heritage certificate/tech details sheet doesn't go into tub specifics, but does identify this as a 127. Any other areas I can look at to see if this was aftermarket tub work or if it came off the line like this? Any chance the hicap tub would have been removed and this tub installed to do a wagon conversion?
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Sure is.
If you swap to a hi-cap body someone will want these parts.
Google Land Rover 130 images and you'll see a factory setup and the Station Wagon conversions.
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A 110 2 door tub has been grafted to a double cab upper panel. No there is nothing high cap about this set up. The tub you have is single wall, hcpu beds are double wall construction. A normal hcpu bed would over hang the rear cross member. The bed you picture is shorter and is flush with the rear cross member. The factory made a few like this for the dutch military.

Sorry to correct you Doug,
Never made for the Dutch militaries but just for the Dutch civilian market because of tax advantages. It came with a longer wheelbase also. Close to 133 inch and only made between 1994 and 2000.

To me this looks more like an after market. Maybe coming from a single cab. Much easier and cheaper, especially back then, to find these parts then all the hi-cap parts.
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Sorry to correct you Doug,
Never made for the Dutch militaries but just for the Dutch civilian market because of tax advantages. It came with a longer wheelbase also. Close to 133 inch and only made between 1994 and 2000.

To me this looks more like an after market. Maybe coming from a single cab. Much easier and cheaper, especially back then, to find these parts then all the hi-cap parts.
I agree, I have spent a lot of time looking at those dutch trucks (I'm building something similar) and they did not have a seam in the rear box as seen here, this looks like something made up out of parts and not OE. The truck cab rear panel looks different as well, although it could be the colours playing tricks on my eyes...
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Sorry to correct you Doug,
Never made for the Dutch militaries but just for the Dutch civilian market because of tax advantages. It came with a longer wheelbase also. Close to 133 inch and only made between 1994 and 2000.

To me this looks more like an after market. Maybe coming from a single cab. Much easier and cheaper, especially back then, to find these parts then all the hi-cap parts.
Thanks for the correction. The only ones I had seen were two Nene Overland had years ago offered for sale used, his ad @ the time said they were made for special order for the dutch-may have assumed the military part @ the time.
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I appreciate all the very helpful feedback. Such a great community, I'm right chuffed, as the Brits would say when I lived there. On another note, I figured out that the hinged d90 tailgate door is what fits in that rear area. I will be putting a parts order in soon, which likely will include a tailgate. Is there any way to save on shipping when you put together a large order that includes big ticket items such as doors/bonnets? I got a quote from sp4x4 saying it will be an extra 100 pound per door shipping. Is that across the board...Paddock, LRparts, Brit-part...?
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You place an order and the carrier charges shipping based on weight and size.
That's it cut and dry, but not everyone knows that... we ship lots of "stuff".
You could try a consolidated crate, but they are slow sea freight.
I have a contact if you want to try consolidated from UK to USA, PM me.
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The truck cab rear panel looks different as well, although it could be the colours playing tricks on my eyes...
Looks like my regular truck cab back panel.
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Neme Overland has at least one for sale, if you want to compare.

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i would go wagon with it - and duplicate the Nene Overland design - your only lengthening the roof panel in that case and bolting up 110 sides/rear to it along with a SW rear door. Otherwise you are in for a new bed and host of other bits to undo the conversion

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i would go wagon with it - and duplicate the Nene Overland design - your only lengthening the roof panel in that case and bolting up 110 sides/rear to it along with a SW rear door. Otherwise you are in for a new bed and host of other bits to undo the conversion

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I would put a 10 inch filler piece in the T post so that you have some leg room.
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