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Old October 27th, 2003, 12:12 AM
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Running Netscape 4.08 in Win2000, I cannot see the entire body of the post. It does not wrap. Instead part of each line gets cutoff. Even opening the window fully, at 1600x1200, I still have the problem.

Also, this part does not appeadr: "Report this post | IP: Logged | Link this post ".

This did not happen with the old board and does not happen in IE 5.5.
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Old October 27th, 2003, 07:24 AM
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Thanks Arthur,

Did this just start recently or has it alway been that way with Netscape 4 since the new board went up?

Can you post a screen shot of it (or email it). In the meantime, I will look and see if this is a known issue with the software.

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Old October 27th, 2003, 11:47 AM
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Hi again Arthur,

I had a few minutes and did some checking into your problem. It turns there are a lot of issues relating to older versions of Netscape 4.0x and the coding used in the software. Basicly not a lot that can be done without a lot of code changes that may not help.

Unfortantatly the short and easiest fix is for those of you using older versions of browsers is upgrade them to at least Netscape 4.7 (if you can, just go to v6 and skip 4.7) or IE users ideally need to minimally have IE 5.5.

The reason you didnt have this problem with the old BBS was that forum was much older HTML/CGI based product, more accomidating to older browsers. This new forum is based and run on the latest PHP/MySQL software that dont play well with older browsers.

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Old October 27th, 2003, 12:32 PM
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I've tinkered with custom code for a bbs way back. I haven't looked at your output code yet but it usually is simply a matter of adjusting the table size references.

I can keep a local copy of a problem post and look into it but it won't be priority.

You may want to inform the publisher. The solution is NOT to abandon Netscape 4.08. It is still widely used and WISELY by those who don't want to deal with IE security issues, not to mention POPUPS!

I realize there are some sites that must be used with IE and I do so. This shouldn't be the case here - after all it is simply a bbs.
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Old October 27th, 2003, 02:39 PM
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I hear what you are saying and when I do any of my sites or sites for people I try to make sure they are compatible with a wide range of platforms without compromising the overall feel for the site, but lets be realistic here.. we are talking about a 5 year old product that's not even supported anymore by Netscape. The oldest version you can get from their site that they still offer support for is 4.78 and there were a lot of fixes between the 2 versions which is why the first recommendations to anyone using 4.0x is to at least upgrade to 4.78 and in cases where people reported back, mostly fixed this kind of table code problem as well as a slew of others.

The people that wrote this software did take into account that Netscape does have popularity and according to them, out of the box this is fully compatible with 4.78 or better, but its very unrealistic to expect them to backward engineer something with 1000's of hours developing just to accommodate a minimal fraction of Netscape users who are using a severely outdated browser. That is just the way it is. If anyone now writes a software program, they are not going to go out of their way to accommodate Windows 95, 3.11, and very shortly Windows 98 as well as NT4. There have been huge changes in web development in 5 years. A good example are the 2 different forums. With the old dumpy Discus system, I had unreliability, no way to restore the accounts, had to manually rebuild the entire board usually taking the better part of a week anytime the slightest change happened to the server and lastly it sucked up HUGE amounts of bandwidth from the site. Now I have one simple SQL file that take me 5 minutes to download, and if the whole forum blows up, its all good. I can have the whole forum with all the accounts and posting with attachments back up and running in under 15 minutes and already have saved bandwidth by going to a more efficient system. If someone's personal choice is NOT to use IE, that's fine but at least upgrade to a more recent version that supports modern technology. You don't have to go to the latest and greatest, just a version that at least is supported still. The bottom line from the software's developers is, this forum does not support versions of Netscape lower than 4.78. Its a known issue that they are not going to address because of how old 4.0x is. If you want to use Netscape to view the board, you will have to upgrade your browser.

Additionally, from a webmasters point of view, what's the point of going though the hassles to accommodate such an old version? I'll use this site for example, 97% of the traffic that hits this site reports as IE 5 or better browsers, 1.5% as Netscape users (that's all versions of Netscape), and another 1.5% of "other/unidentified". Like it or not, IE rules the web surfing population and webmasters including myself, take these numbers into consideration with the structure, design and planning the future development for the site. As I said above, I do try to make any site I do compatible with a wide scope of world wide visitors but really, 4.78 is getting a little old to plan for let alone 4.0x.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't like the fact that the board does not functionally work correctly for anyone for whatever reason and I will still look into this a little. One of the code hack sites (sites that specialize in creating enhancements for this software) might have a fix for this, I just have not had time to look through them to see what they have to say. They could have a simple tweak that corrects this. Let me do some more looking but with a 2 month backlog of updates I need to do to the site as well as working on the new gallery software, and trying to get the new layout done, I cant devote too much energy into this issue at the moment if its not going to be something super simple. But like I said, I wont forget about it and it will be on the list of things to research however, I'll say this, the site redesign is going to be using a lot more modern web technologies and if your having trouble now with your browser, its not going to get better for you on that old 4.0x browser. I would highly suggest you upgrade to a more capable version.

Thanks again for the screenshots and your input.
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Old October 27th, 2003, 04:05 PM
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Yeah, I know how the real world is. Don't get me wrong...I don't expect you or the publisher to support all browsers, even my old one. I would still make you aware of the problem.

One thing about the new format did surprise me: I think I read somewhere about you guys running out of resources or the general cost of running the board and was surprised to see the option to include pics of one's truck with each post.

I would think this adds to your bandwidth problem, of there is one, as does the 'post', 'reply', 'smiley face' and similar graphics. I would prefer a lean, efficient board to a more 'pretty' one. Also, it would be nice to have a link to the user's bio page, not the profile page.
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Old October 27th, 2003, 05:09 PM
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I think you might be thinking of The DiscoWeb. Being SO huge, Ho, Kyle and Ax have to carefully monitor their bandwidth caps which is why they limit picture restrictions and such on their Discus board. They have to deal with the costs of a service provider that can handle 150gb+ of traffic transfer per month which for anyone who has looked into web hosting, knows is a huge requirement and quite pricey especially for a privately owned website.

I am the sole owner of this site and the costs of running the site really are not bad and definatly nowhere near what the Discoweb has to contend with. I really dont think about it unless I need to buy a piece of software which doesnt happen very often except for times like this when a major sitewide refresh happenes and then I will run a sale from the old store or something to help cut my out of pocket costs. My host doesnt hassle me about all the bandwidth this site uses. In fact he teases me that he is convinced I run a hidden porno site somewhere in here. LOL. While my host is very cool, I self monitor for excessive consumption, but I dont have any issues with the host to limit the site in both physical size or traffic. With the site transfering over 20GB of data per month (1/2 of which was being sucked up by the old BBS), a few smiley faces are not even on the scope of concern.

As for "pretty", well, its my site, I want it to run good but also look good as well, not to mention to utilize newest technology that makes updating, administration, and future expanding/growth of the site easier to implement. All this pretty stuff going into place now is planned to carry the site for the next 3-5 years minimum if possible before I need to address the next sitewide refresh.

Some people already use the WWW link in the profiles to link directly to their Owners bio. However, many members of the Forum have never submitted for Owners bios so they have no Bio page for people to go visit.
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Old October 28th, 2003, 09:14 AM
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Hi again Arthur,

As a follow up, I spent about 3 hours last night chasing down all the Netscape related support and hack threads I could find on the major vBulletin sites. Not much hope for help for 4.0x users. Also, 4.7, while is much better off than 4.0x, still can have a few problems. Netscape users are recommened to either ideally use 4.8 or the last release of v.6. I was suprised to hear that v7 was giving a few minor problems but I guess that is to be expected with a new version of any browser.
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