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Old December 2nd, 2009, 02:43 PM
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Safety Devices container coming early 2010

If you need Safety Devices cages and such for your Winter or Spring projects please be advised we are putting the current order together now and would welcome any orders for the current line of Safety Devices complete cage systems and such.
If you have needs please call or email the shop.
eastcoastrover.com

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 02:59 PM
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Cool. Email sent on full external 110 cage for my '83. Smooth roof by the way.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 08:37 PM
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What mods have to be made to NAS D90 SW for full cage??


What mods have to be made to 80's 110 for full cage??
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 09:27 PM
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What mods have to be made to NAS D90 SW for full cage??


What mods have to be made to 80's 110 for full cage??

NAS 90:
Other than the obvious holes in the tub for the cage the only mod is that the 4 bolt holes in the roof where the NAS cage was need to be filled. These can be welded shut or they can just be filled with bolts or plugs. Depends on how fancy you want it.
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/156.html

Euro 110:
Cages do not work with the early tall ribbed roofs (7/8" tall ribs).
Holes have to be made for the cage, but otherwise it is bolt on.

We have smooth 110 roofs available if a roof needs to be switched out.

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Cool. Email sent on full external 110 cage for my '83. Smooth roof by the way.
Info sent along
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 09:58 PM
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Mike......how soon are they coming?

How quickly can your shop install them including the "roof rehab"??

Sent an email to Holly to get on the lick list.
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What mods have to be made to NAS D90 SW for full cage??
As Mike said, for a NAS truck only 6 holes needs to be cut. 4 in the body and 2 in the rear tub. The install went fairly smooth but we spread it out over 2 days. If we had to do it again, we could most likely do it on one day. Here are all the pictures from the installation of mine:
http://nnin.homeip.net/gallery2/defender/cageinstall/

Mikes input such as those NAS friendly seat belt mounts is awesome, something that was not addressed on my cage. I really wish they had so I can mount my belts back to the correct spot. I think its one of the only complaints I have of the full cage. The other is the size of the holes inside you have to cut for the rear supports. I am sure there is some SD-Zen way to get the job done without such huge holes being cut but we followed the template/directions.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:21 PM
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Chris that was great.

Why do you have to cut those holes out?

Can't you just "bolt through" and have the tub aluminum sandwiched in-between the cage and supports??
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Chris that was great.

Why do you have to cut those holes out?

Can't you just "bolt through" and have the tub aluminum sandwiched in-between the cage and supports??
Not really sure the best way to explain it so bear with me...
The plates/mounts that meet are male (http://nnin.homeip.net/gallery2/defe...1464.JPG.html?) and female grooved and need to be direct contact bolted together for the optimal and strongest fit.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 08:37 AM
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Chris that was great.

Why do you have to cut those holes out?

Can't you just "bolt through" and have the tub aluminum sandwiched in-between the cage and supports??

Chris is correct. Here is a little more on the subject:

The 90/110 cages do not just go on top of the truck. Holes have to be cut in the body for the cage. Although it does bolt on, it is not something you could later remove with no trace.
The system is exactly like a NAS 110 cage. If you remove the cage from a NAS 110 you end up with holes in the fenders and 4 holes in the tub.
Image attached of the last 90 cage we did. I didn't get a good picture but you can see the holes cut in the tub kinda (green arrows).
As for the big holes in the rear. What we did was make a small trim plate that we riveted in place that is painted body color. It made it look nicely finished. Image attached.

Short version: You have to cut holes in the tub that can't be undone. So don't buy an external 90 or 110 cage thinking you can remove it down the road.
Hope that helps.

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Mikes input such as those NAS friendly seat belt mounts is awesome, something that was not addressed on my cage. I really wish they had so I can mount my belts back to the correct spot.

I can get you just those braces if you want so you can go back to "stock".
Just let me know.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:02 AM
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As for the big holes in the rear. What we did was make a small trim plate that we riveted in place that is painted body color. It made it look nicely finished. Image attached.
That looks great.
I did something very similar by trimming 2 peices of thin sheet metal to fit/cover the whole area but I glued my panels in place. I never got around to painting them yet. You can kind of see the patches in these 2 pictures:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...chmentid=12395
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...chmentid=12394

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I can get you just those braces if you want so you can go back to "stock".
Just let me know.
I have been toying with the idea to convert my SW into a hard top pickup so from our conversation, the model posts I have may work out better if I try the conversion but I will definatly hit you up if I need the parts.

... oh as a side note, you may want to have a truck load of thos extra bolt head caps for those cage bolts. I lose one or 2 every wheeling trip. LOL
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:16 AM
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Big thanks to Chris for posting those install images to this thread. That helps folks understand the install greatly.

I did want to point out one thing. The cage on Chris' 90 is the cage for a Euro 90. It is not exactly the cage we would sell you for your NAS 90.
The main difference, other than updated front seat belt mounts, is that the NAS 90 EXO cage we sell will have a cross bar behind the front seats, just like a NAS 90 Wagon does.

Images attached of the interior of a NAS 90 Wagon we just did with a SD 90 full exterior cage.



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... oh as a side note, you may want to have a truck load of thos extra bolt head caps for those cage bolts. I lose one or 2 every wheeling trip. LOL
We don't use the bolt caps.
We use the standard NAS style black torx bolts in our installs.

If you need any spare caps, let me know. I have tons.
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Mike - do you use the 3M 4200 to seal up the holes where the cage goes through the tub?
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:23 AM
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Mike - do you use the 3M 4200 to seal up the holes where the cage goes through the tub?
Yes, if we need white (like on a stock NAS 110).

But if we need black, the 3M products are not UV stable so we use a marine decking product that does not bleed black down the truck when it rains for the black cages. Can't recall the name off the top of my head.
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Thanks - my thought was to seal it up really well where the mount comes up through the body, and then put the external piece on with the rubber surround like you've done on some of your trucks. That way no sealer would be visible from the outside.
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Thanks - my thought was to seal it up really well where the mount comes up through the body, and then put the external piece on with the rubber surround like you've done on some of your trucks. That way no sealer would be visible from the outside.
We have stopped using the rubber cage feet on the back 4 mounts.
We only started using those because we could not find a black sealant that would last. Now that we have found the right sealant our cage installs will be more "factory" with sealant and no rubber foot thingy.

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I need that sealant if you think of the name.

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We are going to close up this order Friday so that we can get the container asap.

Just FYI

Thanks all and Happy Holidays!
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Are these still available for order?

When are they supposed to get here?
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Are these still available for order?

When are they supposed to get here?
Our SD order has been delayed due to the weather in Europe. Everything is behind over there and so is our order. So if you want a SD cage shoot me an email and we can likely get it in this order.
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Ordering for this container is now closed.
Thanks to those who placed orders.
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