We have returned from the scout trip and are now putting togeather a return trip for November.
I will post some photos soon - here is a link to a video of our second day on the Camp 6 road in Belize. LR uses this road for the testing of new vehicles....now I know why.
Why would you take all the fun out? I believe in a Defenders ability to get through most anything with minimal modification...call me old school I guess.
------ Follow up post added August 22nd, 2010 08:39 PM ------
Steve we will be going back the first week in Nov. Wanna come??
Why would you take all the fun out? I believe in a Defenders ability to get through most anything with minimal modification...call me old school I guess.
Yea, the entire first day was spent with machetes hacking away foot by foot. A huge tree fell into the path that took over 2hrs to cut through. We tore the snorkels off both vehicles, and have some new dents & dings...we will be incorporating Camp 6 road into our upcoming trip itineraries.
Nice video James. Seems like those tires weren't clearing out the mud that well, or that was some super sticky stuff! Would you happen to have GPS points or a track of the route?
The tires were ****! - Procomp Xterrains - DON'T BUY THEM!!
We run BFG KM2's on all the other trucks but this truck came with the Procomps so we decided to try them. Bad idea. They were like driving with slicks...the black wagon had KM2's on it and it drove through many sections that we had to winch the pickup.
------ Follow up post added August 23rd, 2010 08:30 AM ------
Here is another quick video of some of the highlights. It has us crossing the Rio Frio in Honduras, very strong current.
We will try and put togeather a gear head version with no music just diesel.
That river crossing must have produced a little pucker factor- wading into a deep section just above a fast-flowing chute...but it makes for some good Rover porn!
Have you done any long term overland trips / expeditions?
Lockers have a place - I have them on a 90 that I use in CO for rock crawling.
In the bush they are just one more thing that can fail and leave you stuck. Also clients don't really know how to use them and can cause more harm than good.
Not sure why you care what I think since I'm a Fu*#ing Retard.
Oh, maybe it's because I actually use my Defenders and I can drive through pretty much anything - without lockers.
I guess all the Camel Trophy guys are retards as well since they didn't have lockers.
Oh, you're one of the guys who can take a truck without lockers anywhere a truck with lockers can go. It's good to know who we're dealing with now.
Lockers are just one more thing that can fail in the bush? That's interesting to know as the stock Rover diffs are bomb proof, huh. In your Defender shown in the video, you may have a Salisbury rear diff (tater plow), I don't know. But your front diff is very weak. If you're as badass as you say you would know this. I've literally seen stock Rover diffs fall apart in the garage with the truck sitting still (he drove the truck 200-miles to the shop, parked it, and 2-days later when he went to leave the truck would not move). I would take my chances with something like a TrueTrack any day over a stock Rover diff. And lets not even talk about stock Rovers axles, even in a Salisbury.
Another big plus to having lockers is the environmental impact you leave behind. When you're spinning all over the place like you were in those videos, you're leaving your mark. Lockers alone may not have gotten you through those obstacles, at least not all of them. But having traction does help with the overall environmental impact, and combined with those ghey bridging ladders you have it would have made a big difference.
And don't compare yourself to a Camel Trophy team member. Your not. You never will be. And comparing your vehicle to theirs is just ignorant.
I like your client's videos with the unmolested audio.
Looks like you guys had a great time. Funny thing is that before you left I almost asked in that other thread what tires those were as I wasn't familiar with them.
Yeah, while you were gone this dude dchapman started sitting on this site looking to deride people for their comments on a daily basis. It also got very old while you were gone.
Lets move on! The point is to get out there and do what we enjoy. We are all on this forum because we have that in common - its not important to all think alike in the process. There are lots of ways to do things.
Lets move on! The point is to get out there and do what we enjoy. We are all on this forum because we have that in common - its not important to all think alike in the process. There are lots of ways to do things.
Can I block posts, emails and messages from specific users?
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I couldn't believe that you had to winch on some of that turf. The jungle trails didn't look bad at all on most of that video. BFG's wouldn't have too hard a time.
You should donate those procomp tires to a park or something as a tire swing. that's what they're good for.
I know... the mud was soft & very sticky but not to deep - the inclines were much steeper than they appear but still Procomp should be ashamed. Notice the lack of winching of the black truck in the video, the km2's on it drove through many of the spots we had to winch the pickup...we really only had to winch it when we had very deep ruts and big holes. Also look close at the mid point of the pickup crossing the river...the tires all start spining and loosing tracktion..the wagon had no slip.
I hate to be so negative on a product but they just didn't perform.
Despite the previous poor form of the locker comments it is a worthy discussion.
Almost everyone I met in South America had some sort of traction differential at least in the rear. The majority, Toyotas, were locked front and rear. I spent 10 months in South America overlanding, I was only truly stuck 3 or 4 times I can attribute much of that to having trutracs front and rear. I know that if we did not have a traction diff in one situation where no winching was available we would have never gotten out. It took 8 hours as it was.
The only reason we have this discussion for land rovers is that we have weak diffs and axles. Sals, no problem... but the trutrac takes care of the diff and upgrading the axles is easy for a soft locker and a permanent solution. There is no need to change the rover suspension, but a traction diff is a great addition to any traveling rig.
The environmental concern is valid as well, but so is safety. Keeping momentum in an open truck can be dangerous and can open you up to getting real damage.
Anyhoo... just my 2cents. Looked like a great time, except it made me not want to go to work today!
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