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Old February 15th, 2011, 05:34 AM
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205HP and 330 TQ and a pretty broad power band with a VNT turbo and little to no "smoke" is not enough power for you? How much do you need - do you tow a lot with it?

Those above figures are easy and reliably attained with the ALH VW TDI motor and a few aftermarket tweaks.

Plus I did fit a 4BD1T into a Rover..... and that felt good in stock form 120 hp 230 torque (+/-) in a Disco 2 and had far less power and RPM range than the little V-Dub mill tweaked a bit. Just sayin'. ;-)
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Old February 15th, 2011, 07:51 AM
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How much does that 205 hp weigh? my small block Ford with Vortech forced induction will put out about 500 horses. Can your engine do that?
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How much does that 205 hp weigh? my small block Ford with Vortech forced induction will put out about 500 horses. Can your engine do that?
It's a 1.9l turbo diesel VW engine, with a VNT 17-22 turbo, Rocketchip stage 5 with a 11mm or 12 injector pump, modified intercooler and i forget what size injectors, it really isn't that heavy. Shit my 99.5 Jetta TDI with the original VNT 15 PP520 injectors, Rocketchip stage 3 and 11mm injector pump does about 140ish hp and 260-270 ft/lbs of torque, with 258k miles

Yeah can your small block ford pull that and still do 45mpg?
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I didn't get into Rovers because of their fuel efficiency. Damn Loob, I'm doing good to get 15 mpg.
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Old February 24th, 2011, 10:21 AM
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The VW idea sounds good, plus more available parts here in the states. Has anyone heard of a shop doing a 1.9 swap in a D90 or 110? I'd be interested in giving this a go, but I am far from the mechanical genius.
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there is no substitute for displacement.......a 1.9 in a defender ?
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Old February 24th, 2011, 01:20 PM
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A PD 1.9l VW motor (what is in the Jeep conversion) has a huge aftermarket for easy bolt on power. 175 hp, 300 lb-ft should be safe.

BUT, a TD5 would be easier to install into a Defender and does has more capability for power and torque than the smaller VW.
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Old February 25th, 2011, 02:16 AM
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Stay tuned all - I am currently still in New Zealand (have been all winter) but when I get back I plan to put a VW 1.9TDI in my Defender hybrid. If it sucks I will pull it out.

No it's not "the answer" at all but it's a great motor with cheap and plentiful parts availability.

That said while here in NZ I have driven a couple straight 6 cyl 4.2 (I think they are) turbo diesel Land Cruisers - now THAT is a nice motor. Wow.
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If people are dying for a German tdi motor in a Rover, wouldn't the MB OM617 be a better option?
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I think it would be a badass motor to put in my single seat rear engine car. Just badass. I need to win the lottery.
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That said while here in NZ I have driven a couple straight 6 cyl 4.2 (I think they are) turbo diesel Land Cruisers - now THAT is a nice motor. Wow.
One of the best diesels out there IMHO... now that would be a great swap in a Defender.
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Old February 25th, 2011, 03:53 PM
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The OM617 is marginal really, big heavy and really tough to work with. I think it's been done though if I recall correctly.

The 1.9 is just so compact, light and easy to deal with. Oil pump pickup can be moved around, pan is easy to fab if needed, parts are cheap and aftermarket is proven stuff..... just easy and reliable.

I actually looked into shipping the 6 cyl toyota TD home.... found one for *only* $4000 NZ dollars complete, actually drove the wrecked truck (rollover). Add shipping, add the headache and it's just not worth it. Cool motor though. Love it.
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Any more thoughts on the VW 1.9 guys? Looking at having this conversion done while I'm overseas.
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Any more thoughts on the VW 1.9 guys? Looking at having this conversion done while I'm overseas.
Having it done to your 90 or a Jeep? The in house installation from those guys into a Jeep is $16k. Already developed. It would cost more into a 90. You could ship your 90 to the UK, have a 300tdi installed w/ new transmission by a reputable company and shipped back to the US for less than that.
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6.2, 6.5 has to be one of the worst engines ever perpetrated on the public
Funny my years of dealing with both of these engines in the Army has told me a very different story. To each their own.
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There are plenty of worse engines than the 6.2 and 6.5 non-turbo. They have their issues but I've come across many of them with very high mileages, 400,500,600K. I think they get a bad rap as they are being compared to the other "light duty" pickup diesels that are actually medium duty engines put into pickup trucks. Compared to other diesels by Toyota and Nissan, the 6.2 isn't that unreliable, they start OK, they sound weird, and they are not very powerful, although the 6.5 moves a HMMVW pretty decently. I think that they suffer from inept mechanics more than actual bad design, just like the VWs - At least for the engine.

Buck - Talk to these guys:

http://www.rocketchip.com/

The can beat the immobilizer in the MK4 models, no idea about newer but they are pretty much the cutting edge of reflashing VW ecus. The common rail 2.0L has some serious power potential.
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Bump for the VW diesel idea ?




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double bump -
RoverBeetle - after seeing your Disco 2 build I am very interested in your D90 - (possible?) VW build.
My brother is putting one in his 87 toyota 4runner.
I have a Disco 1 and agree that with the correct tweak this could power the D1 (as the V8 only has 183hp) just fine.

heres a guy that did it into a series - search 'VW 1.9 TD engine into my IIA' (not sure if I shouldnt post links)
heres a guy that put it in a toyota pickup and towed with it - search 'TDI in a Toyota pickup - Page 32'

very very interested in this engine
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Post away with the links!

I know the PD and ALH motors have a much stronger following, but the 2.0 CD in my '11 VW even stock (well minus the DPF and cats with a reflash) would be great in a D90. 140hp and 238 ft/lbs

www.tdiclub.com has a whole section on conversions. The most interesting one is a tweaked 1.9 into a lotus.
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