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Old April 29th, 2011, 04:59 PM
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Not to poop (pardon the pun) on the disk brake conversion, as it is a super cool upgrade over stock. But I eliminated it all together and put in a line lock. The lock was simple and cheap, and removing all the junk behind the t-case allowed for a flat bottom, and quicker throttle response (tdi, not much hp to spare). Just an fyi.
I don't want to take away from the X-Brake Group Buy but very curious about the line lock.

In all honesty I still have to finish my Toy rear axle and a bunch of other small projects so if it's pretty involved I won't have any time for it anyway. But when I hear "removing all the junk behind the t-case" and "quicker throttle response" my ears perk up.
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So much for trying to do some people a favor.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:20 PM
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:24 PM
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:32 PM
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No disrespect meant at all. Very sorry. I will not answer any questions in this thread.
I disagree with that, it is out we should talk about the differences. Ill take the side of the Xbrake

The line lock is a cool thing too but Way different then the Xbrake. The Xbrake is a non hydraulic way to stop the truck. You can not use the line lock to help you when you are going down steep hills. And what would happen if you parked the truck for 2 weeks with just the line lock on? Would the pads rust to the rotor?

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So much for trying to do some people a favor.
Sorry - I wasn't trying to screw up the group buy. I think it's a great thing that you guys are working on and making available to people.

One thing tho - Buck's post might have brought to light a positive on the X-Brake with his mention on throttle response. It says on Lucky 8's, that X'Brake is 20lbs lighter than the stock drum. Is any of that weight rotational? If so, my limited knowledge thinks that's a good thing and wonder if the X-Brake owners have noticed some small performance gains. I know back when I had Audi's, dudes used to swap to lighter flywheels to get rid of rotational weight and add throttle response.

And looking at the X-Brake info on Lucky 8's and X-Eng site it looks like a really great piece. My drum brake works pretty well right now and I wasn't thinking of swapping but if you get it close to the $400 number like you mentioned, I would give it a more serious look.
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Sorry - I wasn't trying to screw up the group buy. I think it's a great thing that you guys are working on and making available to people.

One thing tho - Buck's post might have brought to light a positive on the X-Brake with his mention on throttle response. It says on Lucky 8's, that X'Brake is 20lbs lighter than the stock drum. Is any of that weight rotational? If so, my limited knowledge thinks that's a good thing and wonder if the X-Brake owners have noticed some small performance gains. I know back when I had Audi's, dudes used to swap to lighter flywheels to get rid of rotational weight and add throttle response.

And looking at the X-Brake info on Lucky 8's and X-Eng site it looks like a really great piece. My drum brake works pretty well right now and I wasn't thinking of swapping but if you get it close to the $400 number like you mentioned, I would give it a more serious look.
The stock parking brake drum alone is around 35lbs or more I'd say.

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I've done a few line locks on Jeeps I've built, and they are only as strong as your brakes (obviously). I considered a line lock on my Rover, but with rear drums I'll take an X-Brake. The X-Brake is also slightly smaller in diameter and has a small "skid plate." It doesn't hang that low.
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No way the X-Brake is 20lb lighter than the drum brake. No way. The x-brake has a solid steel rotor. That rotor alone is at least 15-20lbs. The x-brake may be lighter, but it's not 20lbs lighter.

With the x-brake you've also got a heaver mass rotating. I'd imagine the x-brake rotating mass is heavier than the stock rotating mass with the drum brake.

I like the x-brake better than the drum, though. That's a lot more clamping power and a simpler design.

That's not to say the x-brake couldn't be improved upon. And as I said to Justin today, I can't figure out why these cost so much money.

The line-lock is not an emergency brake, though. An emergency brake should be manually operated, IMO. I can't understand why the new Range Rovers and LR3/4's use an electric motor to activate the emergency brake. Just seems dumb.

I would love to have a line-lock, too, though. But I would like to control both rear brakes individually. With a selectable locker such as the ARB, that would be tits to line-lock one rear wheel, lock down the e-brake, unlock the center diff, and pivot around turns or obstacles.

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I've done a few line locks on Jeeps I've built, and they are only as strong as your brakes (obviously). I considered a line lock on my Rover, but with rear drums I'll take an X-Brake. The X-Brake is also slightly smaller in diameter and has a small "skid plate." It doesn't hang that low.
You don't need a line-lock or an x-brake right now. You need to spend your money on disc brakes.
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I would love to have a line-lock, too, though. But I would like to control both rear brakes individually. With a selectable locker such as the ARB, that would be tits to line-lock one rear wheel, lock down the e-brake, unlock the center diff, and pivot around turns or obstacles.
Thats called a cutting brake, and they are tits. But VERY prone to problems. I said a tiny prayer every time I pulled mine.
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That rotor alone is at least 15-20lbs.
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No way is it 15. I'm guessing 8 I'll find out on Monday.
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Sor far we have 8 takers:
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I think if we can get two more the price will get pretty good.
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I was planning on doing this anyway, so I'd go in on it.

Regarding the line lock, we've been using them for years on the drag cars and they are pretty simple and reliable. However, they are not designed to be used for any extended period of time. It's a solenoid device and shouldn't be left on. It would also be pretty easy to accidentally leave it engaged. Leave it for the off-road use.
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Sor far we have 8 takers:
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I think if we can get two more the price will get pretty good.
Added myself as long as WE can help the group buy *LOL*
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Old April 30th, 2011, 09:53 AM
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That should put us at 10 now. Thanks Goose.
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What is the benchmark to get the super discounted price?
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The biggest killer is shipping from the UK, so the more we get the cheaper they become. My goal is getting them to $400 or less shipped, but we'll know more on Monday.
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