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Old August 30th, 2014, 09:47 PM
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wow look out more sanctions against Russia how is that working out

Hey we don't like what your doing so lets hmmm aaa hmmm yes sanctions against you!!!! and if you don't back down we will hmmmm putt more sanctions on you and if that doesn't work we will throw french fries, Brussel sprouts and swiss coffee o and some spanish rice, greek salad and maybe mixed with some chicken Kiev.
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Old August 30th, 2014, 10:26 PM
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:-). Maybe we can sanction Isis too?
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Old August 30th, 2014, 10:30 PM
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Let's send a strongly worded letter as well. That will suffice. That will make them see their wrongs and misgivings...
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Old August 30th, 2014, 10:33 PM
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Ummm, Definition of insanity?..................... I wish O-Blah-ma was more accident prone rather than mistake prone!
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Old August 30th, 2014, 10:43 PM
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What do you suggest?

Bomb Russian citizens on the ground in Ukraine?

Fight a proxy war by providing military aid to Ukraine?

Does anyone have an actual suggested course of action?
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Old August 30th, 2014, 10:56 PM
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I'm sure E-Ring has a dozen ideas. Personally, I hate standing behind the U.N. on any matter, but in this circumstance they are the ideal op-org. If the U.N. would recognize an invasion when they saw it, then put forth a motion to have Russia's veto power revoked as punishment for invading a member country and swamp it with blue hats. "I'm just spit ballin' here, it's not all gold!" ;-)
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Old August 30th, 2014, 11:06 PM
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Does anyone have an actual suggested course of action?
How about lead from the front instead of from behind like Barry does for starters.
US troops to standup and support the Ukrainian Army.
Provide actual, usable military aid to the Ukrainian military instead of sending them MRE's and non-weapon crap.
Freeze all Russian assents in the US and not just the assets of a token few.
Ban Aeroflot flights to the US.
Kick out their embassy staff.

There are a few "actual suggested course of action" ideas. BHO doesn't have the cojones to do any of these but then again Putin knows that Barry won't lift a finger against him.

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Old August 30th, 2014, 11:08 PM
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That works too!
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Old August 31st, 2014, 12:04 AM
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How about lead from the front instead of from behind like Barry does for starters. US troops to standup and support the Ukrainian Army. Provide actual, usable military aid to the Ukrainian military instead of sending them MRE's and non-weapon crap. Freeze all Russian assents in the US and not just the assets of a token few. Ban Aeroflot flights to the US. Kick out their embassy staff. There are a few "actual suggested course of action" ideas. BHO doesn't have the cojones to do any of these but then again Putin knows that Barry won't lift a finger against him.
Why do you care about the Ukrainians?
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Old August 31st, 2014, 12:23 AM
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A friend with two Ukranian born adopted kids was planning on returning there this summer.
They saved their bar mitzvah monies to give to their orphanages.
They couldn't go.
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Why do you care about the Ukrainians?
Nice non response to my post and I am half Ukrainian.
Is this your debate playbook:
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I believe you attempted a #2 from it.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 02:32 AM
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So just for the sake of clarity here; we should get directly militarily involved which has a high probability of escalation into a regional conflict with a nuclear capable adversary?

Not that I disagree mind you, but here is the kicker:
How many of you are in a position to be in harm's way because of that decision? How many of you who are not currently would put your feet where your opinion is and join?
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:23 AM
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True. So let's force the blue hats to be useful.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:23 AM
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So just for the sake of clarity here; we should get directly militarily involved which has a high probability of escalation into a regional conflict with a nuclear capable adversary? Not that I disagree mind you, but here is the kicker: How many of you are in a position to be in harm's way because of that decision? How many of you who are not currently would put your feet where your opinion is and join?
Agree.

Although it's like we're dealing with a pre-WWII Germany. At what point do we stop giving Russia whatever they want? Putin has the upper hand and continues to push the envelope to see who will blink. Meanwhile Obama has his eyes closed.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:41 AM
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True. So let's force the blue hats to be useful.
I would say its a great time to ask NATO nations why they don't spend the $ they are treaty obligated to spend on defense, and haven't for decades. Not everything in the world is the US's problem as the primary actor-we can't want this more than the people that live in the same region and have a much greater vested interest in pushing back Russian aggression. Having them stand up and do it in a mediocre fashion is far better than us doing it perfectly.

Not saying we shouldn't be involved, but also don't think the answer is as simple as 'it's Obama's fault'
In truth I think the absence of a grand strategy is kicking our ass right now, but I have yet to hear a coherent one from the right now.
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Lets not forget that Putin can shut off the natural gas/oil to the entire european continent at anytime.
Accordingly, nations must tread lightly. This is another example why energy independence is crucial..
It has effected us LR owners like crazy here, remember when it was ~$20 to fill our tanks???I do...
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Old August 31st, 2014, 08:21 AM
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Nice non response to my post and I am half Ukrainian. Is this your debate playbook: Liberals Debate Playbook I believe you attempted a #2 from it.
I wasn't changing the subject I was asking why you wanted to do something about Ukraine vs every other f'd up situation. I think that's a reasonable question.
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Lets not forget that Putin can shut off the natural gas/oil to the entire european continent at anytime. Accordingly, nations must tread lightly. This is another example why energy independence is crucial.. It has effected us LR owners like crazy here, remember when it was ~$20 to fill our tanks???I do...
All the more reason for Europe to become energy independent like the US is doing.
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Personally I like the "don't do anything" strategy....when did the USA become a global policeman? Focus on our own borders, our own issues, our own defenses against the freaking south of the border cartels!

I would love to see all troops come home - however because we are in conflicts in the middle east we can't just pull the plug - but we can NOT get involved in other shite! Unfortunately, that won't happen, because without wars you won't have a defense budget....defense suppliers will shut shops, people will be outta work......boooooooom goes the artificial economic worth of the US.

OK - rant over...too much coffee this am
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Simple geopolitics at work here. Russia has always sought to buffer itself (from the invading armies of Western Europe) with satellite states. There are no geographical barriers between Moscow and Western Europe - no speedbumps for an invading army if you will. Also, a warm water port is sure nice if you have a navy. Anyway right or wrong, Putin's moves were entirely predictable and should have suprised only those that don't read history books.
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