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Old August 31st, 2014, 09:27 AM
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Simple geopolitics at work here. Russia has always sought to buffer itself (from the invading armies of Western Europe) with satellite states. There are no geographical barriers between Moscow and Western Europe - no speedbumps for an invading army if you will. Also, a warm water port is sure nice if you have a navy. Anyway right or wrong, Putin's moves were entirely predictable and should have suprised only those that don't read history books.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 09:32 AM
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Yup, just what is wrong with America. Liberals who claim to "love everyone" who actually don't give two shi$ts about anyone but themselves, ignorance, and people who think these events are regional issues that wont have any impact on the US.

For all you world travelers, whats more scary; the fact that your country will let you rot and die in the hands of our adversaries or the fact that our adversaries know we don't have the balls to man up and rescue/retaliate?

You cant be an advocate of open borders, internationalism instead of exceptionalism, and world trade then claim isolationism when it comes to protecting American interests. Thats ignorant as hell.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 09:39 AM
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And on the other side of the coin.. You can't expect to invade other countries and right what you seem to profess is a wrong and not expect retaliation from other countries and kidnapping of American citizens and closed borders..etcetc..is either one or the other... This half hearted shit your pussy leader is doing now ain't cutting it... Have the balls to stand up and go I to the country .. Or have the balls to stay the f out of it... Or he could just go play another round of golf..
Putins got more balls in his little finger than Obama has in his golf bag..
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Putins got more balls in his little finger than Obama has in his golf bag..
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Yes world police

I know I didn't state the main point in my opening but a few of you have reiterated my thought and all of us have had these thoughts -

WHY THE F*&K DOESN'T EUROPE OR NATO DO ANYTHING!!! (yes the point about shutting off the gas pipeline is a factor)

There are a lot of citizens of other nations who are angry at America for acting like a nation of war. Who else is going to do the job? Well frankly I don't want my American brothers or their sons and daughters to ever fall on foreign soil in addition to having my tax dollars pay the interest on the treasury notes that are held by China to fund another in 1st world contries that can affoard to it.

O...and isn't the Ukraine a nuclear power as well. Then stop crying about it and rattle your keys to the red buttons. or shut the help up and enjoy a seat at the new iron curtain unveiling event.





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Personally I like the "don't do anything" strategy....when did the USA become a global policeman? Focus on our own borders, our own issues, our own defenses against the freaking south of the border cartels!

I would love to see all troops come home - however because we are in conflicts in the middle east we can't just pull the plug - but we can NOT get involved in other shite! Unfortunately, that won't happen, because without wars you won't have a defense budget....defense suppliers will shut shops, people will be outta work......boooooooom goes the artificial economic worth of the US.

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Old August 31st, 2014, 12:09 PM
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Ukraine disarmed in the '90's.
http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/ukraine/nuclear/
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Putin and radical Islam will continue to take Obama's lunch money till he no longer occupies the White House. It's Jimmy Carter all over again.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Putin and radical Islam will continue to take Obama's lunch money till he no longer occupies the White House. It's Jimmy Carter all over again.
Just keep in mind radical Islam killed a lot more Americans on the last guy's watch than this one...and during Jimmy Carter's time in office for that matter.
Don't worry though, Hillary probably won't take this shit.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 01:01 PM
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Just keep in mind radical Islam killed a lot more Americans on the last guy's watch than this one...and during Jimmy Carter's time in office for that matter.
Don't worry though, Hillary probably won't take this shit.
If Hillary is the best this country can do then we are indeed in a lot of trouble.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 01:29 PM
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If Hillary is the best this country can do then we are indeed in a lot of trouble.
The best this country has are smart enough not to want the job. So instead we get a parade of options like Hillary, Paul, Cruz...nevermind Romney, etc.
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Hillary would eat her own! But then again, "what difference does it make!"
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The best this country has are smart enough not to want the job. So instead we get a parade of options like Hillary, Paul, Cruz...nevermind Romney, etc.
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Hillary would eat her own!
Just ask Vince Foster....... Oh, wait.
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The best this country has are smart enough not to want the job.


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This is probably the most accurate statement today.






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WHY THE F*&K DOESN'T EUROPE OR NATO DO ANYTHING!!! (yes the point about shutting off the gas pipeline is a factor)
what do you suggest they do? to what end?
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:39 PM
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what do you suggest they do? to what end?
As no-one has any ideas ... Perhaps in the interim sanctions would be a start ...
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What are the numbers behind this?
Jeff,
I walked away from this one. Radical Islam has killed tens of thousands since Barry surrendered in Iraq but some would like you to believe the Rivers there run with chocolate. Back to my little world where Rovers leak and occupy my day.
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what do you suggest they do? to what end?
That is what I would do is send NATO troops into the Ukraine. They have equipment, and forces present in europe. It is a long Suday drive get your ass in the truck and take a drive in support of a nation that is in need on your continent.
and when I refer to "your" I am referring to NATO. I a m not implying you own a truck, can sunday drive over the Atlantic and are nicknamed Sonoronos NATO

So people are bagging on Barry over "Puton a shirt" ....Come on folks he is our elected official he is not riding a horse with a rifle and shirtless and pretending to be a leader of a democratic society - come on! What is that about.

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Old August 31st, 2014, 10:25 PM
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What are the numbers behind this?
Jeff-
Are you kidding? The numbers behind how many American's have been lost to radical Islam under Obama vs Bush?

Let's start with the 9/11's:

Bush's 9/11: ~2600 Americans (I'm not counting the 19 hijackers nor non-US citizens).
Obama's 9/11: 4

OIF (elective war, up till 2008): 4222
OIF (since): 578

My point being everyone rant's about responsibility and leadership, well it goes both ways. If you're in the seat when something happens-you are responsible. So 9/11, that's on Bush. His primary job is to protect American lives. He failed.

After that we proceeded to win, and then subsequently lose, the right war with the wrong tactics and people (OEF)-in particular when-ironically-we handed it over to NATO. That was a Bush decision. Amidst this we proceeded to lose, then win, and then leave the wrong war (OIF).

We can keep parsing the numbers out if you guys want. The fact that ya'll don't know these is what I was getting at when I asked who is going to be doing the fighting and the dying for the next war we go running into for the sake of being the world's policeman. Somehow I doubt it is the people talking the loudest about what the current POTUS has done, and probably are trying to distance themselves from the other last example.
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That is what I would do is send NATO troops into the Ukraine. They have equipment, and forces present in europe. It is a long Suday drive get your ass in the truck and take a drive in support of a nation that is in need on your continent.
and when I refer to "your" I am referring to NATO. I a m not implying you own a truck, can sunday drive over the Atlantic and are nicknamed Sonoronos NATO

So people are bagging on Barry over "Puton a shirt" ....Come on folks he is our elected official he is not riding a horse with a rifle and shirtless and pretending to be a leader of a democratic society - come on! What is that about.
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Let's face it... Your so called elected official (which I dont believe was elected by the people as much as he was elected by the great electoral college).. Is a joke amongst his own people and amongst the world, America should be ashamed to call such a self serving pussy as a leader of what undoubtedly USEto be a nation to be feared..
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