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I don't think it'll matter.
Really? Look at RRC vs P38 values.. 993 vs 996 308/328 vs 348/355... If the next defender sucks the old ones will only be worth more..
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Old February 6th, 2016, 10:27 AM
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Really? Look at RRC vs P38 values.. 993 vs 996 308/328 vs 348/355... If the next defender sucks the old ones will only be worth more..
Apples to oranges in terms of isues on rangies. FJs didn't go up in value because of the FJ cruiser. FJ cruiser sold well for toyota's limited run length.

In bir talking about fans of offroading. In talking about ppl buying symbols.
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In bir talking about fans of offroading. In talking about ppl buying symbols.
This autocorrect is so bad I'm not even sure if I meant "I'm not talking" or "We're not talking"
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I got a fair deal on the 110 I bought. LHD from factory. In fair shape. I could still be driving it as it was, but jumped on the chance to do the 300Tdi.

I don't care what the price of these does from this point on. All I care about is that I have mine. It will never be a nice new 2012. But then, I saw a show car condition 90 the other day, and although it was jealousy on wheels, I realized that I would not want a high dollar Rover. I would not want to take it out on the trail.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 07:30 PM
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If I could choose, I'd wait for the 50th anniversary model to turn 25 & buy one. Very similar to a NAS except RHD, they had the best of everything- AC, exo cage, V8, and were automatic. Sadly I need one before then, so I built my own.

Good decision, with good example 50ths reaching well in excess of 25K GBP and not much around under 15K you would need very deep pockets especially in 7 years time. Mine was under 8K only 3 years ago
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I agree with your logic, which said a little differently, is that we have many many years of ROW Defenders able to be imported based on the 25 year rule. There is a fresh supply through 2040. But NAS defenders? There never will be more than what was built between 1993 and 1997, that's it.

So I would agree these NAS Defenders become increasingly rare as they age and will likely hold value better. And it is not just that NAS Defenders are rare in number, they are as we all know quite different than their ROW cousins in many ways (motors, roll cages, etc).
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50th Anniversary V8's 90's are really identical to NAS d90 but we gotta wait a few more years
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Another question to raise?

We should not worry about the values of Defenders too much.-Supply and demand always dictate market value.They will not go down in value,any of them,the more popular they become with enthusiasts the more they will go up! Because they ain't making no more !! It is nice to have cheaper ROW models to suit everybody's pocket,we all have to start from somewhere,can't jump straight into an NAS unless Santa has given us a big Christmas bonus.

ANYWAYS- The big question is (Have any of you have noticed) Who is the young kid with the red top on appearing on rayc's,downshift's,and mgreenspan's posts???? Is he someone appearing with three alias names to stir up trouble over Defender values ? Or a virus ? Hmmm

AND- another thought to ponder, ---------What will happen to the values of all of our Defenders,when the Indians buy up the production line.Because you can be sure the production line ain't going to the crusher
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We should not worry about the values of Defenders too much.-Supply and demand always dictate market value.They will not go down in value,any of them,the more popular they become with enthusiasts the more they will go up! Because they ain't making no more !! It is nice to have cheaper ROW models to suit everybody's pocket,we all have to start from somewhere,can't jump straight into an NAS unless Santa has given us a big Christmas bonus. ANYWAYS- The big question is (Have any of you have noticed) Who is the young kid with the red top on appearing on rayc's,downshift's,and mgreenspan's posts???? Is he someone appearing with three alias names to stir up trouble over Defender values ? Or a virus ? Hmmm AND- another thought to ponder, ---------What will happen to the values of all of our Defenders,when the Indians buy up the production line.Because you can be sure the production line ain't going to the crusher
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Apples to oranges in terms of isues on rangies. FJs didn't go up in value because of the FJ cruiser. FJ cruiser sold well for toyota's limited run length.

In bir talking about fans of offroading. In talking about ppl buying symbols.
Just because a manufacturer releases a new truck with name DEFENDER doesn't mean it has anything to do with a Defender. Apples and oranges.

No car built/designed after 2004 will ever be collectible (with the exception of a very few super exotics). The party is over.
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ANYWAYS- The big question is (Have any of you have noticed) Who is the young kid with the red top on appearing on rayc's,downshift's,and mgreenspan's posts???? Is he someone appearing with three alias names to stir up trouble over Defender values ? Or a virus ? Hmmm
What you talking about?
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ANYWAYS- The big question is (Have any of you have noticed) Who is the young kid with the red top on appearing on rayc's,downshift's,and mgreenspan's posts???? Is he someone appearing with three alias names to stir up trouble over Defender values ? Or a virus ? Hmmm
Who?
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No car built/designed after 2004 will ever be collectible (with the exception of a very few super exotics). The party is over.
Blinged out builds arent collectible. They are showy. Buying a new vehicle for "offroading" that starts at $55k is showy.
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ANYWAYS- The big question is (Have any of you have noticed) Who is the young kid with the red top on appearing on rayc's,downshift's,and mgreenspan's posts???? Is he someone appearing with three alias names to stir up trouble over Defender values ? Or a virus ? Hmmm
Freaky. A black helicopter flew over my house when I read this paragraph. I'm thinking its the same high school kid with three alias names and only one avatar posting from his mothers basement in Hoboken NJ.
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NAS Defenders (1993, 1994, 1995, & 1997) account for less than .04% of the 2,000,000+ Land Rovers manufactured since 1948. And, we in the US are 25-years behind the rest of the world. The ROW market has supplanted our previously "NAS only" market, causing original NAS vehicle prices to soar.

My theory is to look at the most recent year of eligibility under the 25-year rule like a "new model year". Supply here in the US still falls far behind demand, and I expect it will for the foreseeable future due to the 25-year lag. As such, I would expect to continue to see folks pay a premium for eligible 25-year old Defenders for quite some time to come.

Just my $.02.
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Blinged out builds arent collectible. They are showy. Buying a new vehicle for "offroading" that starts at $55k is showy.
Blinged out builds absolutely are collectible. You couldn't be more wrong. They aren't building these cars anymore. Watch the big auctions. Blinged builds aren't as collectible as originals but there aren't many originals.
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damnit defenders havnt been made since 1948, im so tired of the media and everyone else that says this
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damnit defenders havnt been made since 1948, im so tired of the media and everyone else that says this
Ha I thought the same thing...we're talking 1983-2016 here, not 1948-2015 .
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damnit defenders havnt been made since 1948, im so tired of the media and everyone else that says this
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Ha I thought the same thing...we're talking 1983-2016 here, not 1948-2015 .
OK, hit the brakes.

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NAS Defenders (1993, 1994, 1995, & 1997) account for less than .04% of the 2,000,000+ Land Rovers manufactured since 1948.
This is verbatim what I said. It is a 100% accurate statement.

Now, I understand the frustration, and truth be told, there was a time when I used to feel the same way. But now, I guess I just don't see it as that big a deal anymore. I know the difference between the vehicle models, and that's all that really matters.

The Defender is just "the Land Rover", and it would still go by that name formally if the company had not wanted to create a separate and distinct monicker to market the vehicle as an individual model under Land Rover's brand name. The Defender is a direct descendant of the original Land Rover from 1948, in the same manner as the Series II, IIA, & III were also descendants. To simply things, maybe it would be better if we referred to the Defender as the Series IV! Come to think of it, you'll realize that the Series I wasn't called the Series I until the Series II debuted. Do you take offense to a Series I being called a "Series" instead of by it's given name, simply the "Land Rover"? I would surely hope not!

The Defender and all of its predecessors were manufactured in the same place and in the same manner as the original Land Rover. And, despite the variations in the evolution of the line, I've found it quite common to hear all of the models referred to as Defenders. Why? Because it's also how Land Rover as a company currently identifies the vehicles to the media.

At any rate, what we call them really doesn't matter in the great scheme of things. Call them Land Rovers, Defenders, Series, etc. whatever floats your boat!.........just so long as you don't call them Jeeps.
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