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Old May 20th, 2014, 04:55 PM
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Why the Jeep Wrangler is the New Defender

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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:07 PM
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Oh vomit.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:13 PM
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I have to agree with Matt, which isn't something I normally do. Rover really missed the boat on the utilitarian vehicle market. Look at the popularity of the FJ Cruiser and the 4 door Jeep that they can't make fast enough. I'll be watching to see if Rover can get their act together with the new Defender or if they once again miss the boat.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:26 PM
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Popularity? FJ? Man I haven't seen a new FJ in years... The new wrangler, almost perfect in terms of nailing it. If they offered a diesel variant they would almost be irresistible.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:33 PM
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With the Wranglers crawling around here, I don't see why you couldn't sell a Defender.

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If the back end of the 4-door Wrangler had as much capacity as a Defender, I'd have moved on already. If it had a diesel too, I'd never look back.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:50 PM
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If the back end of the 4-door Wrangler had as much capacity as a Defender, I'd have moved on already. If it had a diesel too, I'd never look back.
Sadly, I agree.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 05:54 PM
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Actually, the Chrysler lobbyists ruined it - why on earth the USA has such strict laws that inhibited the continued success of a brand that did just fine in every country on earth is beyond me...is every other country wrong? And the USA is right....

but yeah - vomit - especially...."You’ll be walking out with a vehicle that far surpasses the level of capability that was ever offered from Land Rover direct from the showroom."
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Old May 20th, 2014, 06:09 PM
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Popularity? FJ? Man I haven't seen a new FJ in years... The new wrangler, almost perfect in terms of nailing it. If they offered a diesel variant they would almost be irresistible.
The FJ had a stop sale order due to seat belt issues as they are anchored in the clam doors. They are still popular, as long as you can deal with piloting a car with submarine like visibility around. The FJ is also scheduled to be killed, if I remember correctly.

This article has been written by him at least two times. The most recent one was something like 'I bought a Wrangler because I could not buy a new Defender.' It drew just about the same amount of vitriol from both owner camps.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 06:38 PM
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Yeah, I didn't know about the seatbelt issue but it's very uninspiring. The FJ had such hype but failed to deliver.
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I have heard recently -from a pretty reliable source, that this fall the diesel JK becomes available Stateside!
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Old May 20th, 2014, 07:51 PM
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Wrangler 4D buy backs...

A co-worker of mine gets a call from the Jeep dealership every 6 months or so, asking if he would like to trade in his 4-door Wrangler for a newer one.

He finally asked why they keep calling him and their response was that they wanted a 'used' 4-door to sale on their lot. People are keeping them and not many available on the used market.

For what its worth... I hope LR takes the time in researching their US market beyond the RR Sport. Merc and Jeep have adapted.

(If you want to see new FJs, come to Dallas... they are everywhere.)
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I hate to admit it but I recently rented a new Jk for a week while traveling on business. The acceleration of the pentastar v6 alone made it very tempting.. never mind the newer interior, ease of putting the front hard top sections on and off etc.
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The new JK with the 3.6 pentastar (sic) is awesome. It is new range rover quick.
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I hate to admit it but I recently rented a new Jk for a week while traveling on business. The acceleration of the pentastar v6 alone made it very tempting.. never mind the newer interior, ease of putting the front hard top sections on and off etc.
Same experience. It had been years since I had been in a wrangler. I didn't want to be impressed, I wanted to be assured that the jeep was still the same unimpressive SUV, but I was surprised. Drop a 5.7 in and I'll holler at one. 30 years from now there will still be a wrangler. Defender will be a pretender if Land Rover keeps going the Evoque route.
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I was reading that they plan to make the jeep IFS in 2015. Which seems really odd. Share some other chassis I assume. Hopefully they kill that idea.
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Are there any frame upgrades for the 4-door wrangler? They seem pretty light-weight/thin compared to a fully-boxed Defender frame.
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It's fine for the jeep needs. LR is overbuilt.
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Defenders are the last hold out of a proper 4wd. Body on frame, floating axles, gear driven transfer case, manual transmission, real driveshafts, solid axles, coil springs and no creature comforts

Jeeps are dookie always have been. If Jeep can sell JK's like hotcakes and Land Rover or toyota not take note they obviously have no interest in this segment of the market. The FJ was a great idea but they fell really short of the finish. It seriously cant be that hard to make the current Defender viable for the US market. People are paying grossly inflated prices for janky Defenders from the early 80's. surely folks would pay a premium for the current Defender with no rust and a dare I say a manufacturers warranty.
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The wrangler is the new mid-life crisis vehicle and its amazing at it.

Here you can have a daily vehicle. Hard top, four doors, lots of room, fairly comfortable, A/C, auto trans, etc. But *if* you wanted to, you could go tackle some super serious powerline trails. On top of that, you can take it to 4 wheel parts and in the span of a Saturday, you can be rolling on 35s, lift, awesome bumper, 5,000,000,000,000,000 lumens of LEDs for possible night wheeling, and a tow strap. Everything you need...*if* you wanted to go off road.

However you don't really have the time for any of that because you've got 2~3 kids and whatnot.

But if you wanted...you could...

With that said, these stupid JKs really are awesome off road, especially the rubicons. A stock 2 door rubi would pretty much rock out every trail here in the southeast (sans trails for WEROCK, rock bouncing, hill climbing, and the really big rock crawling stuff). With some money, these built 4 door JKs are being awesome as well. Add an Atlas, Pro-Rock 60 axles, custom suspension, 37s, and they follow around the rock buggies of yesterday.

I doubt LR will ever be able to chip into that market unless they take a mind to go head to head with the JK. Considering they don't care, I doubt they will.

So I guess we will all just have to put Johnson Rods and 32s on our LR3s and wheel them. Oh well...
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