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Old March 31st, 2009, 11:19 PM
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who makes this suspension kit?

Found this vid on youtube. just wondering if anyone knows about this defender, if it is a custom suspension or if its available to the general public.

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Old March 31st, 2009, 11:57 PM
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I think this may be the same truck:

http://www.yellowdefender.com/

If so, it says the suspension was by Desert Rover.
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it looks like Chris Hinkle's D90.

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his username here is Hoosier.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Yup, that's Chris's truck. The Suspension is custom, read more about it here.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 06:18 PM
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Old April 1st, 2009, 08:32 PM
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I e-talked with him a loooong time ago about that suspension. It was great out of the box thinking. It did have some significant balance issues. I wonder if the truck is still around?
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its just amazing how much flex it produced for not really looking like a highly modified, not street legal 4byer. Most of the stuff I have seen that 4wheel like that are tube chassis, custom rigs. I was wondering how I can get mine to do that.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:12 PM
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It's a cool looking video but a standard OME or RT suspensioned 90 with a locker could drive the same line. Who cares if you lift a wheel if your still moving forward?
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Old April 1st, 2009, 11:25 PM
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its just amazing how much flex it produced for not really looking like a highly modified, not street legal 4byer. Most of the stuff I have seen that 4wheel like that are tube chassis, custom rigs. I was wondering how I can get mine to do that.
It's very easy. Go see rovertracks and he can hook you up. The question you have to ask yourself, is do you WANT your truck to do that. At least do that, like that.
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It's very easy. Go see rovertracks and he can hook you up. The question you have to ask yourself, is do you WANT your truck to do that. At least do that, like that.
Ryan, search around, and there is an abundance of discussions about suspension systems, drop out springs, retaining springs, and balancing suspension articulation. Chris was no doubt an early pioneer in NAS Defender suspension set-ups, and this truck is but one example.

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My personal opinion is that balanced articulation is more desirable than 'sexy flexy' on the ramp. I believe that this same conclusion played out with the judges of the original 'Twist-Off' competition in Colorado almost ten years ago now (make sure to read the 'Results' page).

The truck in question was a participant, and although it looked neat on the ramp, it showed very little balance of articulation (as a result of the stock design of the front suspension), which lead to less than stellar scores on the trail when compared to the more balanced systems. To each is own, but do your research before you make your decisions...
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Ryan, search around, and there is an abundance of discussions about suspension systems, drop out springs, retaining springs, and balancing suspension articulation. Chris was no doubt an early pioneer in NAS Defender suspension set-ups, and this truck is but one example.



My personal opinion is that balanced articulation is more desirable than 'sexy flexy' on the ramp. I believe that this same conclusion played out with the judges of the original 'Twist-Off' competition in Colorado almost ten years ago now (make sure to read the 'Results' page).

The truck in question was a participant, and although it looked neat on the ramp, it showed very little balance of articulation (as a result of the stock design of the front suspension), which lead to less than stellar scores on the trail when compared to the more balanced systems. To each is own, but do your research before you make your decisions...
All very good points, but I have to disagree on the abundance of discussion. I have never seen much "real" suspension discussion here. I know it is mostly a truck appreciation site, and I am down with that. But I think a lot of people would enjoy some actual discussions including roll center, anti-squate, rear-steer, castor, heck even ackerman angle. Uptravel vs. Downtravel, real spring rates, ect.

There are some guys now that know all this stuff specifically for Defenders. It would be great to go a little further than the "Cone" debate. Which should have ended 10 years ago, imo.

But to go back to the suspension in question, its great to have a lot of wheel travel. Awesome actually, but it has to be done right and have purpose. I am NOT saying anything bad about the truck in question, it was way ahead of it's time. But, I know from experience that having an out of balance suspension, or incorrect spring rates, or really anything out of phase is a big problem. Doing the race I had to redo and relook at everything, and I found out that I had done it wrong. Just plain wrong. Getting everything right took a lot of work, and math. And in the end, I have a suspension designed to go fast, and slow. And the rear dictates roll slightly more than the front, but is softer. It's probably still more wrong than right too!

Anyway, I'm all for travel, but it can actually be a negative if not done right.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 11:09 PM
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All very good points, but I have to disagree on the abundance of discussion. I have never seen much "real" suspension discussion here. I know it is mostly a truck appreciation site, and I am down with that. But I think a lot of people would enjoy some actual discussions including roll center, anti-squate, rear-steer, castor, heck even ackerman angle. Uptravel vs. Downtravel, real spring rates, ect.

There are some guys now that know all this stuff specifically for Defenders. It would be great to go a little further than the "Cone" debate. Which should have ended 10 years ago, imo.

But to go back to the suspension in question, its great to have a lot of wheel travel. Awesome actually, but it has to be done right and have purpose. I am NOT saying anything bad about the truck in question, it was way ahead of it's time. But, I know from experience that having an out of balance suspension, or incorrect spring rates, or really anything out of phase is a big problem. Doing the race I had to redo and relook at everything, and I found out that I had done it wrong. Just plain wrong. Getting everything right took a lot of work, and math. And in the end, I have a suspension designed to go fast, and slow. And the rear dictates roll slightly more than the front, but is softer. It's probably still more wrong than right too!

Anyway, I'm all for travel, but it can actually be a negative if not done right.
I would be interested in hearing more about what you have done? If you are willing to offer up the info??
thanks!
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I would be interested in hearing more about what you have done? If you are willing to offer up the info??
thanks!
Yeah of course. I will help with whatever I can. But with that question I would be typing forever. Do you have a specific question that I can answer?
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I think this may be the same truck:

http://www.yellowdefender.com/

If so, it says the suspension was by Desert Rover.
holy crap, alan and mimi dobbs! anyone know if they are still in the LR community. Remember alan being on here a lot when this was a Yahoo/Geocities board!
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holy crap, alan and mimi dobbs! anyone know if they are still in the LR community. Remember alan being on here a lot when this was a Yahoo/Geocities board!
he still has his big yellow d90 but its been torn apart for like 6 years. I know the Burns talk to him and Mimi a bunch still.
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CHris, who built the truck that was built into a 110 truck cab with a custom tube back. IT was painted a dark marron and had 38" Iroks. I remember reading the build a while back
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