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Old July 8th, 2013, 04:30 PM
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Where does one start.....

So.....I have fallen in love with the Defender Double Cab. The problem is that these trucks are virtually impossible to compare one versus the other. When it comes to NAS Defenders ('94, '95 and '97) there are benchmarks and statistics that can help in valuation.

However, when it comes to Double Cabs the marketplace seems all over the place. They are usually 25+ year trucks that have had some degree of restoration. Of course there are those new companies popping up in Florida and elsewhere that will give you a 25+ year old chassis with a 21 year old engine and everything else from what seems like a brand new Defender. Not to mention RHD v. LHD.

So...where does one start to figure out the value of one of these Double Cabs. I contacted one of these Florida companies and they told me their "virtually new" Double Cabs started at $85K (ouch!).

Any guidance or assistance on how to go about getting a good value in a Double Cab would be most appreciated.

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Old July 8th, 2013, 04:51 PM
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1) this does not belong in the For Sale - Vehicles section
2) as with most things, the asking price is a function of perceived cleanliness/newness, labor, scarcity, risk, etc.
3) the fact that you see prices all over the place doesn't mean much. Narrow your search down to exactly the types of things you want/need, THEN compare them. Color, engine, condition, year, upgrades, etc. I'm sure you'll then see that the variation isn't as great as when you look at double cabs as an entire group.
4) don't be afraid to import your own (legal) double cab
5) Speak with Riverhouse Mini - I've seen him have them in the never-been-touched category vs. fully customized.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:28 PM
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Marc,

Look up "Shawn" on this board. PM him and ask this question.... He knows a bit about these.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:48 PM
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Josh is correct. Price is largely dependent on on a lot of stuff, and that stuff depends on what you want out of it and how you will use it. I rebuilt a true 1983 D110 and converted the body into a Double Cab. Enclosed are pics what I started with after its import, and what the final result looks like, but 3 years and a substantial sum went into building it after its legal import. Contact me if you have any detailed questions.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:56 PM
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As a doublecab owner, I can tell you that the bed is totally worthless. I thought doublecabs were cool when I bought mine, but now that I drive one every day, I would much rather have a station wagon.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 08:05 PM
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Oh, c'mon! There's loads of things you can fit into the bed. Like a barrel of Lynchburg's finest!
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Old July 8th, 2013, 11:55 PM
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This one looks pretty good: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...4fb2a1&vxp=mtr
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:25 AM
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Thanks Jason, seems like nice truck. What's the consensus on price/value?
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Old July 9th, 2013, 04:37 AM
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It's a TD5 so it's legality is questionable - it would be unlikely to sneak into the country today. Depending on the way you look at the risk of the feds coming to look at your vehicle makes it more or less desirable.

Montana title but in LA? I guess you can title anything in Montana. Can you title it in NY?

Price / Value is very subjective ... without seeing it up close you can't really value a truck ... it might have a load of chassis rot somewhere that they didn't show a picture of.

The other thing is .... if you are looking for a truck and hoping to get a good price ... the last thing you want to be doing is highlighting vehicles on here to all the other people hunting for trucks ... your are only going to increase the competition!
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Old July 9th, 2013, 07:34 AM
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Thanks Jason, seems like nice truck. What's the consensus on price/value?
If it sells, then $70k. If it doesn't, then it's less.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 07:38 AM
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If it sells, then $70k. If it doesn't, then it's less.
Great insight from Moody's there on the state of the market ...
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:02 AM
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:12 AM
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Turns out this particular truck was imported by Dr Aaron. Does that change anyone's view?

I am still not clear if one can import a truck legally under the rules and then do all the work after (conversion from RHD to LHD, Automatic Transmission, TD5 etc).

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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:28 AM
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Turns out this particular truck was imported by Dr Aaron. Does that change anyone's view?
Yes. $80k now.

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I am still not clear if one can import a truck legally under the rules and then do all the work after (conversion from RHD to LHD, Automatic Transmission, TD5 etc).

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Read the What's Legal thread. There is a ton of information on this forum for those willing to look around and read a little/lot.
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$5.2k 110 DCPU conversion from SafariHP
$3.6k galvanized 110 Richards Chassis
Import a cheap legal UK 110 with a good bulkhead and running gear.
$500 in fasteners / random bits.
Do a frame-up build.

Bob's your uncle.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:52 AM
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$5.2k 110 DCPU conversion from SafariHP
$3.6k galvanized 110 Richards Chassis
Import a cheap legal UK 110 with a good bulkhead and running gear.
$500 in fasteners / random bits.
Do a frame-up build.

Bob's your uncle.
I wish I had the knowledge and patience to do that.

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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:54 AM
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$5.2k 110 DCPU conversion from SafariHP
$3.6k galvanized 110 Richards Chassis
Import a cheap legal UK 110 with a good bulkhead and running gear.
$500 in fasteners / random bits.
Do a frame-up build.

Bob's your uncle.
Wish it was that easy.

And cheap.

It ain't
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:55 AM
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Yes. $80k now.



Read the What's Legal thread. There is a ton of information on this forum for those willing to look around and read a little/lot.
I have read so much that my eyes are crossed! I have come across so much conflicting information that as I read and re-read aI am more confused. Then I read about Customs raids etc etc.

Believe it or not it's not that easy to get any definitive answers. Every time I ask a question the most common response is "It depends...".


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Old July 9th, 2013, 10:02 AM
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I think you are confusing two things: what is legal, and what people have gotten away with so far. From what I've read it is pretty darn clear what is legal and what is not. As we've discussed in your previous threads when you posted up a Puma Defender for sale - the fact that it is here and for sale does not make it legal. Period. Search some common terms like federalized, EPA, tampering, etc. etc. And if you've read the threads you say you have, then you already know that it is perfectly legal to import a perfectly legal defender, and upgrade it once it is in the US. Does that mean that you can do absolutely anything during your rebuild once in the US? No.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 07:46 PM
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Good point Josh. One have to be very careful about how much they modify their trucks. If you put. Td5 in a older truck, you can run into problems if you get into a accident. Insurance companies look for all types of reasons why they would not cover you. That would be the least of your problems . I wouldn't want to find out what would happen if someone gets seriously hurt.
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