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Old July 14th, 2011, 08:56 PM
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What Warrants a Bad Truck?

So as many of you know I am a new 3 week old Defender owner. I love the truck, but have yet to go more than a week without having it in the shop.

Before I bought the car I had 02 sensors replaced and new front end bearings. Then I got it home....

1st Smog Check: Failed because of a faulty gas cap...that's it, just a damn gas cap. So I buy a new gas cap and check engine light goes on.

1st Check Engine Light: p0420 and p0430 Cat problems. So I replaced the cats, check engine light goes off.

2nd Smog Check: Failed with higher "HC (PPM)" than I had before and a egg smell coming from the exhaust. Tech says it's running rich.

2nd Check Engine Light: Driving out of smog check engine light goes on, car starts to sputter, when I accelerate I hear a whine coming from the engine and loss of power. Barely make it to the mechanic (British car USA in North Hollywood). Mechanic says I need a tune up: new plugs, wires, air and gas filters and the check engine is on from a bad Purge Valve. That's where it sits today (and yesterday, he says he cant find the purge valve)

I am well aware that owning these trucks I am going to be spending a lot of time in the shop, but is this what I have to look forward to or am I just off to a rough start?

PS its a 97 D90 auto with 140310 miles

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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:03 PM
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Your loss of power sounds a bit like an alternator going bad. Is it a surge and loss of power? Bad alternator can do some weird shit. RMR had that truck for sale for quite some time (over a year) if I recall...had to be reasons for that, plus I doubt they were regularly driving it unless it was for a test drive. Defenders shouldn't be in the shop all the time if regularly and properly maintained, but the 97's do have a few more electronic gremlins that can arise.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:07 PM
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Interesting, thanks Josh. Hopefully these are just some bugs that need to get worked out because it's been sitting for so long. when it sputtered it just cut out for a second, no surge. Felt almost like a backfire, havent had that happen since my 1983 Renault Alliance.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:12 PM
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I think you're just off to a bad start. Especially with the later GEMS management, reliability is pretty good. The only problem is you'll need to invest in a code reader.

I will say, if you consider yourself somewhat mechanically inclined, you should start looking into stuff yourself where you think you can. You'll save yourself a hell of a lot of cash. And, hell, you'll learn a lot. There are lots of people here to guide you through.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:16 PM
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Is British Car USA your usual mechanic, or have you called Four Oaks and others around? I know a few of the guys on the board use Four Oaks (enough that I live out here and know their name).
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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:24 PM
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Try looking for simple stuff first like loose connections, etc. Then this may be a zebra hunch buuut there were certain engines that have problems with there distributers. Its in one of the service notices that were issued out.
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Try looking for simple stuff first like loose connections, etc. Then this may be a zebra hunch buuut there were certain engines that have problems with there distributers. Its in one of the service notices that were issued out.
no dizzy on a 97
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Get you some tools a code reader and search alot. You've got a truck with some miles hats needs service.. don't give up yet

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Old July 14th, 2011, 09:44 PM
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Call Larry at four oaks. He will get the bugs worked out for you and you should be fine. And you thought your biggest worry was going to be whether to valet or not
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:18 PM
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Whenever buying used, you always want to get all the regular service items replaced right away so you start off with a good experience and have a baseline of service you can trust. routine ignition components, filters, oil, coolant flush, and for god sake, get all your hoses replaced now, not later. coolant system issues are next and often neglected until they fail.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:32 PM
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I did the same kinda shit with my truck in 2003. It had 46K on it and the original owner did not do everything correctly. Download the Rave Disc, get a scanner and get to intimately know your truck. Check every connection, change every fluid and keep a journal. This is your first 90, you have many more Rovers to come. It is an addiction.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:42 PM
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Id say you are off to a rough start. It will get better.

My gas cap failed too. Its the stupidest thing ever. A gas cap. And, the idiots dont even stock them at shops. Pain in the ass and time consuming.

Personally, I think someone sold you a truck with issues they should have known about.

Get a mechanic that you trust and does good work. Do easy stuff on your own via this site (tune up, sensors, fluids, filters, alternator, wiring, etc. leave the big stuff up to the pros)

Buy a Scangauge 2. Reset code(s). See if they come back. If they do, address the issue.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 11:27 PM
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Try Four Oaks. They service defenders all the time. Did you talk to RMR? I doubt they sold it knowing this stuff was screwed up. They sell tons of trucks so I would think they would be on top of the maintenance. I guess though that lots can go wrong at once so your drive back might have been just enough miles to push it over the edge so all the issues presented themselves.

Don't give up yet.

Where are you in LA? Depending on location Four Oaks might be too far.
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Personally, I think someone sold you a truck with issues they should have known about.
14 yr old truck with 140k. He drove the truck from Alabama to Los Angeles without issue. Sucks its now throwing codes
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Old July 15th, 2011, 01:27 AM
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Hey guys. I'm David, Josh's brother (owner of the D90 in discussion).
I am very mechanically inclined and have been working on cars as a hobby for about 20 years. I'm not a certified mechanic, but with the right tools I can fix anything. Josh and I will tackle this beast together and get her running right. All these things from the purge valves to tune ups is a very easy job for most cars.
If there's something on the D90 that is out of the ordinary where you guys think only a trained Land Rover specialist can do, then let me know. Otherwise I'm tackling this myself and saving my brother a ton of cash in labor charges.
Four Oaks is about 15mins from us. Maybe we'll stop by this weekend if Carmageddon isn't that bad.
This truck has a lot of miles, but I think it will give my brother a good amount of fun. Right now is not one of those times. With a code reader and some tools (which we have), there's no reason we can't fix all this stuff ourselves.
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Sounds good David! Not much on a 97 GEMS D-90 that can't be done by anyone with a decent garage of tools. Sounds like you can get it ready to roll in short order.

If you need help, let us know, there is a lot of knowledge here.
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Old July 15th, 2011, 02:28 AM
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Either my brother and I are completely awesome or completely lame because we are both sitting on the couch next to each other typing in this forum.

I haven't been to British Car USA before, just went there because it was next to my office and I wasn't confident I could get it home. He also had about 8 Discos in the lot and seemed knowledgeable so I felt good about it.

Driving back from Alabama I thought I had the most mechanically sound truck ever...It drove like a dream, but like most of us LA people when we got here we weren't happy and shit hit the fan. David and I have about 11 projects to do on this truck from new Motor Mounts to Raptor Gauges. Our apartment is filled with Defender parts so it'll be a great weekend...We'll post pics...maybe even video. Thanks everyone
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If you're in the Valley, you can try Sherman Oaks Exclusive (http://www.shermanoaksexclusive.com/).
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Old July 15th, 2011, 08:55 AM
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"What Warrants a Bad Truck?"
Certainly not onewith 140k on the clock and which just made a successful cross country trip!
You just have to keep in mind that there are components which are at the end of their useful service life which is to be expected in a 14 yr old/ 140k mi vehicle. Don't assume anything about proper maintenance done by the PO(s).
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f'n gas caps...can't tell you how many I have bought over the years...

At least it is not like the LR3 where the fuel filler neck goes back and throws a check engine/loose gas cap code...

Glad I live in a state without a smog check :-)
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