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Old August 10th, 2015, 10:23 AM
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What the hell is really going on in CO?

Anyone close to this situation and have more knowledge than what's been reported? Sounds like we can trust the EPA to be open and forthright.


EPA: Pollution from mine spill much worse than feared
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:00 AM
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Brings back memories of a tailings spill back in the 80's.... They shut that mine down. Huge fines and BIG environmental issues
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:02 AM
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The damage appears to be horrible. If this was done by private industry (Ala British Petroleum) the current administration would be talking about jailing people and heads rolling for the reckless actions of the operation. The reality is that it will be brushed aside and EPA officials will be "promoted" to other positions. Out of sight, out of mind.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:06 AM
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Taxpayers ie us will pay for it
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:49 AM
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Here's a good breakdown.

Why Was The Environmental Protection Agency Messing With A Mine Above Silverton? | KUNC
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I think it is a case of ostrich syndrome as far as contaminated sites in the States. We use to work on cleaning up Superfund sites in the late 80's, early 90s. I'm not sure of the whole history, but as I recall, most of the funding for going out and properly cleaning the sites vanished at the time and there was no more work. The sites are all still there, it is just that there is no priority within the government to clean them up.
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You can read it all in the links, but it sounds like the EPA won't have anyone to blame but themselves. Can't levy fines against themselves, so their mistake will simply be our expense.
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Funny how every one blames the EPA... But no one blames the mining companies that created the mess to begin with.
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Thanks Guys. I have family from the area and as you can imagine they're beside themselves. I'm sure it's a lot to process.
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Funny how every one blames the EPA... But no one blames the mining companies that created the mess to begin with.
X8...and specifically those that profited!
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X8...and specifically those that profited!
I agree but the truth is the governments did get a healthy cut of the action, right? Probably an average of 35-40% of taxable income, with no risk I might add.
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"Those that profited"...if it's "We the People" well the/our government needs to pony...the trouble is there were no regulation standard for a lot of this stuff...
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"Those that profited"...if it's "We the People" well the/our government needs to pony...the trouble is there were no regulation standard for a lot of this stuff...
The problem is the mine in question stopped operating almost 100yrs ago so any profits from it, well, those are gone. Ironically the EPA was trying to plug another mine whose outflows were polluting but there was a lot more water than anticipated at this adjacent site.
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This specific mine shut production 40 years prior to any federal mining specific environmental regulations.

Instead of jumping on the "save the earth" hypocrisy, some research and perspective should be in order.

Theres not a single person that wouldn't agree that this is a big breach, but using it to blame the those horrible billionaires and the heartless mining industry is akin to blaming Remington and Glock for gun violence....and kinda like the protestors in Portland blocking the Shell ship last week...in their petroleum made kayaks after transporting themselves to the protest/blockade in vehicles made of/by and burning fossil fuels.

Sure we can and absolutely should protect and preserve the outdoors...but its idiotic to jump on the hype train. As much as I dislike the EPA, they had good intentions in mind here.
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X8...and specifically those that profited!
Including the Lawyers!!!!!!
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I'm sitting 100 yds from the Animas, as I write. The fear in DGO is huge. I've been drafted into helping conduct an economic impact study, impact on the regional tourism industry. Bottom line is that the environmental impact analysis to date are works in process.

Anywho, few people are talking about the contractor's role in the spill. Low cost bid contracts, gotta love them.
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"Those that profited"...if it's "We the People" well the/our government needs to pony...the trouble is there were no regulation standard for a lot of this stuff...
Absurdly right. 40 years ago our parents raped and pillaged the earth. No one knew any better. Today we know better. One could blame a lot on those that came before us. But it is what we do now we are accountable for. The EPA fucked up. Simple. And should be held accountable.
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I'm sitting 100 yds from the Animas, as I write. The fear in DGO is huge. I've been drafted into helping conduct an economic impact study, impact on the regional tourism industry. Bottom line is that the environmental impact analysis to date are works in process.

Anywho, few people are talking about the contractor's role in the spill. Low cost bid contracts, gotta love them.
Has their been any discernible impact on tourism so far?
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At least I know where the oil that leaks from my trucks go........and its not there. This is going to be a mess for a while. Best to all those effected.
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The Feds should send in the entire TSA to clean up the river. Why? 1: nothing gets by them. 2: they make no difference at airports so they won't be missed. 3: any liquid over 3.4 oz ain't making it past them!
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