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Old August 10th, 2015, 09:07 PM
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The Feds should send in the entire TSA to clean up the river. Why? 1: nothing gets by them. 2: they make no difference at airports so they won't be missed. 3: any liquid over 3.4 oz ain't making it past them!
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It was contained by the mining company, it was the EPA that caused the spill.

It reminds me of the Exxon Valdez where steam cleaning of the shoreline caused more harm than letting nature break down and dispose of the oil.

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How so? I hadn't heard anything about this.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 09:28 PM
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Yes, I understand that much was learned from the cleanup as an event such as that had never happened before. Techniques and procedures for that cleanup were not tested on that large of a scale, nor in that specific eco-system. They turned out to not be ideal, but what I had not read anywhere was the 'what if' it was left as-is and let the area recover on it's own. That was my question. If you had any info on that scenario. How long it would have taken, the pros and cons..etc..
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On the local news they had a rafting company that said they had to let go of 23 employees. I believe it who would want to go rafting in the river right now?

Many of the small mountain towns in Colorado live and die by tourist dollars.


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Old August 10th, 2015, 10:02 PM
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Do a google search. They have compared areas that were cleaned with areas that were not. Those that were not cleaned suffered less long term impact. Point being there is an arrogance in the 'environmental' community, that they are the experts. They tend to make more noise, but that doesn't mean their opinion is any more valid, or that other industry opinions are less valid.

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Oh, ok. So there is info about this topic out there. It just made me curious since you brought it up. I think there is an arrogance in both environmental and industrial communities. I'm just hoping this will not hinder whatever efforts need to be made for the environment and safety for the residents of CO. It could easily turn into a finger pointing match. The contaminants had been buried (safely?) for a long time, EPA goes in to clean it up - I'm sure after many years of prodding from the people of CO, they go in there unprepared and this is what happened. What a mess.

The two are very different but do you think this 'spill' should be left alone with no cleanup efforts also?
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Do a google search. They have compared areas that were cleaned with areas that were not. Those that were not cleaned suffered less long term impact. Point being there is an arrogance in the 'environmental' community, that they are the experts. They tend to make more noise, but that doesn't mean their opinion is any more valid, or that other industry opinions are less valid. -Jeff
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Old August 10th, 2015, 10:24 PM
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Which ones? Are the 'environmentalists' the ones who wanted the EPA to clean it up or the ones who wanted nature to clean it up? ..or the ones who didn't want mining in the first place?
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:04 PM
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The contaminants had been buried (safely?) for a long time, EPA goes in to clean it up - I'm sure after many years of prodding from the people of CO, they go in there unprepared and this is what happened. What a mess.
From reading the articles posted, it was not safely contained. The mine they were trying to cap had been leaking. Capping that mine caused the other to burst.

With all due respect to the couch wielding experts all over the internet, without being an expert is geological structure and having complete knowledge of the system in question, you have zero clue what is actually going on nor what happened. Most likely it was not possible to predict this outcome and nothing was done incorrectly. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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With all due respect to the couch wielding experts all over the internet, without being an expert is geological structure and having complete knowledge of the system in question, you have zero clue what is actually going on nor what happened. Most likely it was not possible to predict this outcome and nothing was done incorrectly.
Are you an expert in geological structure with complete knowledge of the system in question? If not, your post is puzzling at best.
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Are you an expert in geological structure with complete knowledge of the system in question? If not, your post is puzzling at best.
Probably more so than the journalist that wrote that article. I sympathize with the situation, but that article seemed to be written by a person with an axe to grind.
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Are you an expert in geological structure with complete knowledge of the system in question? If not, your post is puzzling at best.
I know enough that nobody in the media or on the internet is capable of providing any reasonable opinion on the matter. Without being both an expert AND knowing all of the details any discussion of what happened is meaningless.
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Meaningless? Isn't this the perfect opportunity to infuse your own flavor of political bias? It certainly appears to be.
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Interesting letter to the editor a week before it happened.

Yes, that letter to the editor about the EPA was published « » Local News
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Interesting letter to the editor a week before it happened.

Yes, that letter to the editor about the EPA was published « » Local News
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Old August 13th, 2015, 10:17 AM
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I know enough that nobody in the media or on the internet is capable of providing any reasonable opinion on the matter. Without being both an expert AND knowing all of the details any discussion of what happened is meaningless.
But everyone of them did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
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Drive by today. There is still a lot off contaminated water flowing out and into the Animas. It's pretty depressing to see it in person.
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Interesting letter to the editor a week before it happened.

Yes, that letter to the editor about the EPA was published « » Local News
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Interesting letter to the editor a week before it happened.

Yes, that letter to the editor about the EPA was published « » Local News
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...or planned. -Jeff
Wouldn't be too surprised! And that's my new bedtime prayer! "God, protect me from the EPA!"
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