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Old August 13th, 2016, 11:50 AM
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What makes a Defender $100k or $50k or $15k?

I have been curious in the Defenders for a bit now and have been looking more seriously, but see such a wide range of pricing! I do understand the ones that are sorted out perfectly demanding those extremely high prices and that's way over my budget. I guess I am more curous to understand the difference between the lower end of the price spectrum. If there are no significant rust issues and everything looks to be in order can anyone enlighten me on what make one Defender worth say $30k and one worth $15k. Also I am looking at the 110's.

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Old August 13th, 2016, 12:02 PM
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a couple of factors: 1) There were NAS(North American Spec) Defenders imported in 1994, 1995 and 1997. There were only 5000 imported hence the rarity. Of those 5000 there were soft tops and station wagons. The soft tops were only made for the US whereas the station wagons aren't that much different from the ROW(rest of the world trucks) other than the NAS badge. In my opinion the soft tops should be worth more than the station wagons for that reason but there doesn't seem to be much of a premium either way. If there is one, it's probably for the NAS station wagons which I don't get. The other consideration is that a lot of people are doing LS swaps on these trucks now. If you ever want to have an LS powered Defender in California, you probably need to start with a NAS truck making them even more valuable. I'm not 100% sure on that but I don't think anyone has done an LS swap with a non NAS truck in CA.

The second factor is whether the frame has been removed or replaced and galvanized. The frames rust if not treated and that's a big job to strip the truck down to it's frame and either dip a straight frame or buy a galvanized frame.

I'll add a 3rd: mileage, accidents and whether the title is clean or not.

There is no rational reason for why they sell for what they sell for. Many feel we are in a Defender bubble. They are a lot of fun though especially in warm weather with no roof.

I'm sure many will correct me but hopefully this is a start.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 12:07 PM
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RHD vs LHD
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Old August 13th, 2016, 12:26 PM
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condition, whats been replaced, whats new, $$$ lavished on the truck.
Parts especially body panels like doors are quite pricey, 5 new take off tdci doors for a 5 door wagon cost $10k these days.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 06:05 PM
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Not to mention that v8 defenders with auto transmissions are rare compared to row (not talking 3.5s)
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Old August 13th, 2016, 06:14 PM
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Not to mention that v8 defenders with auto transmissions are rare compared to row (not talking 3.5s)
This is very true. Not that they are necessarily better, just not that many made. Regardless of top. And I think there are plenty of differences between a NAS SW and ROW SW. Cage, engine, transmission, etc, etc.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 07:10 PM
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Having a NAS badge on a defender is kind of like having that little jockey on a button down shirt.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 12:08 AM
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Take your time to research them well and try to find the nicest one with the features you want that's within your budget. If you find one you like, you could put a deposit down and ask the forum what they think about it. If you don't know exactly what to look out for then definitely have an expert inspect it for you. Even seemingly simple repairs on Defenders can add up very quickly. I bet someone on the forum would be willing to take a look or recommend someone nearby who can.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 07:05 AM
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This is very true. Not that they are necessarily better, just not that many made. Regardless of top. And I think there are plenty of differences between a NAS SW and ROW SW. Cage, engine, transmission, etc, etc.
Discounting the engine its about $5k in parts to make a ROW a NAS clone. It is about a $30k price difference between a NAS clone ROW and a NAS truck. Will you get it back when you go to sell? Who knows.

I see people having lots of problems with that V8. Additionally it doesn't offer much in the way of power or MPG.

I would rather a diesel or LS6 swapped ROW.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 07:33 AM
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Discounting the engine its about $5k in parts to make a ROW a NAS clone.
The exterior roll cage alone is like 5 grand.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 08:08 AM
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Very true. The more disposable income and endless digital pics does wonders for making cubical-daydreaming more of a reality.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 09:30 AM
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Take your time to research them well and try to find the nicest one with the features you want that's within your budget. If you find one you like, you could put a deposit down and ask the forum what they think about it. If you don't know exactly what to look out for then definitely have an expert inspect it for you. Even seemingly simple repairs on Defenders can add up very quickly. I bet someone on the forum would be willing to take a look or recommend someone nearby who can.
Thanks! This sounds like a reasonable plan. Anyone know a good Defender expert around the Kansas City area?

Also, I am assuming RHD are less desirable by most, but other than getting used to driving from that side there really is no real difference correct?
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The exterior roll cage alone is like 5 grand.
I just got my SD cage for $1900 shipped.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 09:52 AM
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I just got my SD cage for $1900 shipped.
not a NAS 90 st cage
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Old August 14th, 2016, 10:01 AM
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not a NAS 90 st cage
Ah I meant SW
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Old August 14th, 2016, 10:27 AM
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I just got my SD cage for $1900 shipped.
I was thinking of 110. My bad
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I just got my SD cage for $1900 shipped.
from where? that's way below market - certainly not normative
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How much do you think a RHD model detracts from pricing?
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I know it's obvious but any seller may think they have a $100k truck but it isn't one until a buyer makes it one.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 09:54 PM
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from where? that's way below market - certainly not normative
Lucky 8 group buy that took place here. Too good of a deal to pass up. That's with the padding kit too.
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