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Old October 18th, 2007, 11:31 PM
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What do you make of this D90 carfax?

It's a low mileage 1997 SW, but the only entry on the CarFax is that it was imported from GB in 2007. I assume that means there is history for the car in Great Britan, but that CarFAx doesn't have access to the information. Has anyone dealt with this? Does it typically mean the car has issues?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 07:56 AM
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What's the first 11 characters of the VIN? Mine are SALDV2283RA

SAL- Manu: Land Rover
D- Model: NAS Defender 90/110
V- Model Spec: 49 state emissions, 90in
2- Body: 2-door (softtop)
2- engine type: 3.9 V8
8- LHD 5sp
3- checksum code
R- Model year; 94
A- Assembly location; solihull
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Old October 19th, 2007, 09:00 AM
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What color is it? Red? There was a 1997 NAS D90 that had spend it's life in the UK. I think it was a marketing truck for LR, then was sold to an employee, then stored. Someone here purchased it here and brought it over. Because it is a NAS truck, it can be imported with out an issue.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 09:33 AM
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That's funny. Years ago I spoke to a guy in the UK who was selling a NAS truck (red) that was a marketing vehicle, then let loose into the wild. I contacted a shipping company and they told me if the seller could produce a letter from LR on LR letterhead stating it was indeed NAS spec, they could import it no problem for me. The guy couldn't produce the letter and I moved on. Small world if it is.

Let's see the vin number!
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Old October 19th, 2007, 11:20 AM
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Here's a link to the add:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...eadExists=true

The VIN is SALDV3245VA993123
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Old October 19th, 2007, 11:23 AM
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SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
D Model: NAS Defender 90/110
V Model specification: 49 state emissions (excl California), 90in
3 Body type: 3-door, closed (station wagon, hard top)
2 Engine type: 3.9 litre V8 petrol, or 4.0 litre V8 petrol (OBD II)
4 Steering, transmission, GVW: Left-hand drive (LHD), 4-speed automatic, 6000lb
5 Checksum code: checks out ok
V Model year: 1997
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
993123 Serial number
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Old October 19th, 2007, 11:30 AM
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The one I had in mind was a '94 now that I think about it (and not in this condition). Just FYI, dmv.org has no records for this VIN.

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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:18 PM
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SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
V Model specification: 49 state emissions (excl California), 90in
993123 Serial number
This car is still CA legal right, or does this mean it will not pass the smog test?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:29 PM
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I don't know, my disco returns this:
SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
T Model: NAS Discovery Series II
L Model specification: SD model
1 Body type: 5-door, closed (station wagon, hard top)
2 Engine type: 3.9 litre V8 petrol, or 4.0 litre V8 petrol (OBD II)
4 Steering, transmission, GVW: Left-hand drive (LHD), 4-speed automatic, 6000lb
5 Checksum code: checks out ok
1 Model year: 2001
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK

which doesnt mention anything about the 49-states
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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:41 PM
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Ryan, try this: SALDV3242VA124866
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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:52 PM
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all D90's are 49 state. Even those sold new in CA
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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:57 PM
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Ryan, try this: SALDV3242VA124866
SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
D Model: NAS Defender 90/110
V Model specification: 49 state emissions (excl California), 90in
3 Body type: 3-door, closed (station wagon, hard top)
2 Engine type: 3.9 litre V8 petrol, or 4.0 litre V8 petrol (OBD II)
4 Steering, transmission, GVW: Left-hand drive (LHD), 4-speed automatic, 6000lb
2 Checksum code: checks out ok
V Model year: 1997
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
124866 Serial number
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Old October 19th, 2007, 01:12 PM
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If you look at the pictures of the back of the truck in the ad above, the trcuk is also missing numbered plate. Is something fishy here?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by salmon78
If you look at the pictures of the back of the truck in the ad above, the truck is also missing numbered plate. Is something fishy here?
For some reason it has an added marker/stop lamp on the passenger side rear as well (rear fog lamp? Is this what the after market switch to the left of the ignition is for?), European spec clear upper front marker lamps, wrong front turn signals housings for a '97 ('95 & '97 had the same larger lamps as used in the rear for the turn signals set lower in the headlamp surround), no A/C (kind of odd for a wagon), wrong NAS spec wheels, is that a '97 spec radio(?) and WOW does that engine computer look vulnerable (LOL!)

I'm not that familiar with the SW's though, being a ST owner..

P.S. -- I sent the seller a long list of inconsistencies asking for an explanation and some proof that it is a NAS spec truck with DOT certification. The response should be interesting, if I get one..
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Old October 19th, 2007, 01:54 PM
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Sweet. Thanks for your response. I can't wait to see what they say in response to your email.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 02:28 PM
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i know the truck...it is the LR marketing vehicle and has signatures of the employess on the line (or something like that) under the hood...also notice the added light in the back right side, under tha badge. Its legit! Just very expensive.

I had asked all the same questions about the differences b/t this truck in question and all the other 90's...The answer i got was that it was actually never intended to come here, so when it did, some modifications were necessary to comply with DOT, etc. To me, its cool, but would rather have a numbered truck without any funny stuff. Its a really clean nice truck, with some cool odd ball stuff. If I remember, like 8k miles...
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Old October 19th, 2007, 03:34 PM
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Regardless of the mods, it sounds like your saying that the miles are likely to be accurate.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 04:00 PM
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I wouldn't buy it unless I planned to put it on display somewhere. Buy 2 trucks - one to drive and one as a spare for the same money!
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Old October 19th, 2007, 04:53 PM
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Sweet. Thanks for your response. I can't wait to see what they say in response to your email.
Response:

'Scott, Your Questions: Are you sure this is a North American Spec (NAS) '97? It has no LRNA (Land Rover North America) NAS number plate on the back, Incorrect NAS spec wheels, NAS spec trucks only had two marker/stop lamps on the passenger side rear as well. European spec clear upper front marker lamps (DOT standard is orange), wrong front turn signals housings for a '97, no A/C (kind of odd for an NAS wagon), and that is not a '97 NAS spec radio.. What is the true story on this truck, and is it really carry North American DOT certification? Thanks..

Answer: YES, This 1997 Defender is a NAS vehicle and it does carry a North American DOT Certification. The reason it has some modifications is because it was kept in the UK as a Show/Exhibition Car for several months and modifications were added. This was the last Defender brought into the US. I ran the Car Fax and it cleared Customers to come into North America without a hitch.

I could fax you the Car Fax, but the phone number on your email is not correct. Therefore, I cannot obtain a fax number from you.


Following is the email sent to people initially inquiring about purchasing one of our vehicles:

Dear Scott,

My name is Tana and I am in the process of finding the vehicle you wanted. I do have a couple clarifying questions that will help me find what you are looking for.

1. Are there any colors that you would not consider?

2. Is a test drive important to you?

3. Would you like to make an appointment for today or tomorrow?

Please call me at 415-496-2112 so we can discuss your inquiry into the 1997 Land Rover Defender. If I don't hear from you shortly, that's okay. I may have to make a couple of assumptions about what you want, but I will provide you with some information on your vehicle request within a reasonable time.

Here at Marin Luxury Cars our philosophy is simple. As much as we love selling cars, at the end of the day, whether customers buy a vehicle from our dealership or not, we want them to enjoy and benefit from their time with us. I look forward to meeting you.

Best regards,

Tana Holser
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408-823-3144 cell'
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Old October 19th, 2007, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
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This was the last Defender brought into the US. I ran the Car Fax and it cleared Customers to come into North America without a hitch.
The last D90 to come in was #2499 which was Arles Blue.. #2494 was Portofino Red ...

I personally couldnt find that VIN on the registry... http://www.lrfaq.org/Defender/D90auto.db.1.html
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