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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:36 AM
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What a complete waste

I can understand demilling a gun but why waste all these HMMWVs?

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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:55 AM
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Because they are death traps that offer little protection to IED which seams to be the greatest threat to armed forces around the world these days.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:57 AM
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Because they are death traps that offer little protection to IED which seams to be the greatest threat to armed forces around the world these days.
They werent designed to deal with an IED. Take a look at how old the platform is.


Also, I thought that these had to be cut up in order to be sold as they arent highway/ DOT legal. Has this changed? How much do these things usually go for?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:24 AM
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..... I thought that these had to be cut up in order to be sold as they arent highway/ DOT legal. Has this changed? How much do these things usually go for?
That's what I mean by a waste. Per description:

"DEMIL AS A CONDITION OF SALE PER SURVEILLANCE PLAN"

Method and Degree of Demilitarization:
a. Demilitarization off government premises at contractor facility.
b. Demilitarization within 50 miles of DLA Disposition Services Pearl Harbor location.
c. Contractor will transport, at contractor’s expense, the items to their facility to complete the demilitarization with a certifier/verifier present.
d. Purchaser must completely destroy material that will result in the destruction of the item to prevent reuse, recognition or reconstruction of the item to the satisfaction of the government appointed verifier. Automated size reduction prior to shredding is allowed. The process must be able to pulverize cast iron, cast aluminum and magnesium. This process will be used for the majority of the property stream.
e. Any items that cannot be processed as above, due to size or metal thickness, may be processed by torch or shear with certifier and verifier concurrence.
f. No parts removal. Harvesting of parts is forbidden.
g. The use of precision torch fixtures, precision cutting saws or precision tools of any kind to minimize demilitarization are forbidden.
h. All military markings and data plates are to be completely shredded and destroyed.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:04 AM
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I wonder if they assigned the correct demil code.

First jump to Table 1.1:
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r700_144.pdf

Then dig through this combersome manual for the definition and conditions for each code:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/416021m.pdf

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I wonder if they assigned the correct demil code.

First jump to Table 1.1:
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r700_144.pdf

Then dig through this combersome manual for the definition and conditions for each code:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/416021m.pdf

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So you're saying there's a chance? Anyone have a lead on a legitimate HMMWV that is less than $20-25K?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 12:11 PM
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Probably because they are aren't located on this continent?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 12:41 PM
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A lot of people hate on the HMMWV for a variety of reasons but they're damn good vehicles for what they were designed for-and way more capable across a spectrum of usage than the CUCV which is good if you're playing park ranger but little else (you certainly aren't going to wade one of those off a landing craft as the tide comes in-for example).

IED's as the 'modern' threat is a bit overblown. That's just a tactic and there are plenty of ways to sidestep those tactics (starting with pick the right fights with defined criteria for termination to prevent long term occupation). Moreover everyone talks about IED's as if they are easy to make and employ. If that were true Boston would have been a lot worse than it was.

All that being said, these trucks would be a PITA for anything more than what was alluded to-a farm truck or totally offroad machine. A lot of maint to get them into shape and keep them running right given their age and likely exposure and usage. Suffice it to say after having HMMWVs for a few years (pre 9/11 times, I won't even get into the abuse that UAH's suffered) I wouldn't want a demilled one...as I know what I've done to them!
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Old May 11th, 2013, 12:45 PM
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So you're saying there's a chance? Anyone have a lead on a legitimate HMMWV that is less than $20-25K?
Even cut up, the parts would be cool. I remember an old 4Wheeler Top Truck Challenge where a guy took the chassis and running gear and bolted a Montero body on it. Ive always thought that that would be a cool thing to do. You get a pretty stout suspension with gear reduction hubs.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 12:58 PM
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There was a small legitimate batch of USMC HUMVEEs that leaked on to the market through a contractor about 15 years ago and avoided the demill process. Those are the only legit batch. Many can be had for well under $30k.
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A lot of people hate on the HMMWV for a variety of reasons but they're damn good vehicles for what they were designed for-and way more capable across a spectrum of usage than the CUCV which is good if you're playing park ranger but little else (you certainly aren't going to wade one of those off a landing craft as the tide comes in-for example).

IED's as the 'modern' threat is a bit overblown. That's just a tactic and there are plenty of ways to sidestep those tactics (starting with pick the right fights with defined criteria for termination to prevent long term occupation). Moreover everyone talks about IED's as if they are easy to make and employ. If that were true Boston would have been a lot worse than it was.

All that being said, these trucks would be a PITA for anything more than what was alluded to-a farm truck or totally offroad machine. A lot of maint to get them into shape and keep them running right given their age and likely exposure and usage. Suffice it to say after having HMMWVs for a few years (pre 9/11 times, I won't even get into the abuse that UAH's suffered) I wouldn't want a demilled one...as I know what I've done to them!
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Just curious, what's your background? Trying to understand where your IED assessment is coming from.
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Because they are death traps that offer little protection to IED which seams to be the greatest threat to armed forces around the world these days.
So what does demilling them before the sale have anything to do with your post?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 01:13 PM
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Just curious, what's your background? Trying to understand where your IED assessment is coming from.
16 years (and counting) active duty USMC. Multiple tours in ground units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Enough close encounters with IEDs to be rather wary of them but also think they are overblown as a threat by pundits.

To frame it another way in 2006 I was in downtown Ramadi-it was the epicenter of violence at the time, more SIGACTs than Baghdad (which was 10x larger)-IED's were just a fact of life, but adjusting your tactics works better than continuing to add more and more armor and play drive around till someone goes boom. Walking more, at night, in small groups did a lot to offset the threat-and get right at an enemy who wanted you to stay inside your big, slow, uparmored truck.

So I'm definitely biased, but going back to the commentary about unarmored HMMWV's being obsolete, I'd say that totally depends on the kinds of fights you find yourself in. As a conflict starts the IED threat is usually non-existent (they don't just exist waiting to go off on Americans invading). Over time it may evolve-but that same time can be used to bring in the bigger stuff if needed-b/c MRAPs don't go on Amphibs very easily and are VERY heavy and expensive to fly in. Sometimes its better to find a non-material solution to a problem and use what you have effectively in that context. The HMMWV was, and is, a good vehicle even if long in the tooth now.

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Dave, I think the train of thought is: they have little use in current operations and the military is dumping them via demilitarization. Not implying that an IED threat exists to the guy that buys one at auction.

Ray, understood. I have a view from a slightly different perspective. I'm an over 20 year army guy and MEDEVAC pilot. I responded to IED "nine-lines" several time a week in Afghanistan. Iraq not as much but that's because my tours in Iraq were on the draw down.

Army Hummers, up armored ones included, sit on lots parked as far as the eye can see. Sad that they aren't sold off at auction.
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I think the train of thought is: they have little use in current operations and the military is dumping them via demilitarization. Not implying that an IED threat exists to the guy that buys one at auction.
Nope. The ones being "dumped" are past their service life (going on 30 years now). The humvee is still a valuable asset in certain conflicts and the fact they are not ending in foreign military sales is because they are past their service life.

I do agree with Ray, while IEDs are a huge threat - building bigger, badder armored vehicles isn't the answer - it's tactics. The enemy is already shredding our MRAPs ad MATVs with bigger IEDs.
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I do agree with Ray, while IEDs are a huge threat - building bigger, badder armored vehicles isn't the answer - it's tactics. The enemy is already shredding our MRAPs ad MATVs with bigger IEDs.

Thats because they don't have those dangerous limb lifters!
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We got a couple humvees from the DOD after sandy. I usually take it for a drive every 2 weeks or so, just so that it doesn't sit and rot away. If you werent in the military, its cool the first few times you drive it, but then the noise and lack of comfort gets annoying.
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Probably because they are aren't located on this continent?
but they are in my neck of the woods....i wonder if i could get it registered? though this close bidding mean you put in your max bid and hope someone doesnt go past you...
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........then the noise and lack of comfort gets annoying.
You mean like my 88 and 110?
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