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Old November 10th, 2011, 03:02 PM
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Western Black Rhino declared extinct

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/...iref=allsearch

Sometimes feels like world I grew up in is disappearing around me. When my children get older, my wife have always talked about taking a safari trip to Africa. I hope the animals I used to love growing-up as a kid are still there when we get the chance to go. Rhino's were always one of my favorites.....


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Old November 10th, 2011, 03:22 PM
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This is just wonderful. Love the fact that we have contributed to a booming Chinese economy thats created an entirely new class of wealth in China increasing the demand for all things Ivory.... So sad I know we all drive British cars but is it time to say we must only buy things made in America?
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can't really seem the english rushing out for ivory?!

i think we should keep imports to a minimum...who the fuxk let mc donalds in!
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can't really seem the english rushing out for ivory?!

i think we should keep imports to a minimum...who the fuxk let mc donalds in!
Good point . I should of clarified.
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It's not ivory. It's for use when ground up as an aphrodisiac believe it or not.

As to users of IProducts as consumers of Chinese-made goods, don't worry, the Chinese will be happy to lend you some of the $3 trillion of Treasury bonds and US currency they currenly hold to buy that iProduct.
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It's sad to see whats happening to the world. It's also sad how few people care or are even aware of this.
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Here is the thing I remember from a science class I took in college. Populations of said species go up and down over a period of time, like a sine wave. Now said species population might be getting smaller and smaller. We don't really truly know if that population was getting smaller all on its own as species come and go in the grand web of things. Did Man accelerate things, perhaps but that species was probably on its way out anyhow.
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Here is the thing I remember from a science class I took in college. Populations of said species go up and down over a period of time, like a sine wave. Now said species population might be getting smaller and smaller. We don't really truly know if that population was getting smaller all on its own as species come and go in the grand web of things. Did Man accelerate things, perhaps but that species was probably on its way out anyhow.
To politely disagree, in the case of the black rhino, the population declined from 70,000 to 10-15,000 in the span of a decade and the cause was poaching. While species population does increase and decrease over time for a number of factors, here we have a clearly defined external cause of population decimation. Maybe the black rhino was going the way of the dinosaur eventually but given the situation, we will never know. For reference, population statistics are from the WWF who has been tracking black rhino population since 1960.
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This really makes me incredibly sad. It is my hope to take my children to Africa and experience seeing animals as I did when I was young.
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I'm doing my part. As part of a partnership between the Botswanan Defense Force and the North Carolina Guard, we're going over next fall to Botswana, and helping the Defense forces and park rangers do tactical planning and training to protect against poachers to preserve their # industry: tourism. That is going to be incredibly satisfying. I have friends who have already gone over there and said the wildlife in the game parks is amazing.

I hope the world can intervene before it's all gone.
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Well done, Mark!

Roseann and I just returned from Kenya, where we coordinated a workshop for a group of Maasai game scouts in anti-poaching tracking. The wildlife in their community-owned region (no national park or government funds) is doing extremely well. The lion population has gone from around ten to almost 50.

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I hope the world can intervene before it's all gone.
I don't believe you intended it that way, but that sentence sent chills up my spine...
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Boys, boys, Western black rhino is not THE black rhino, but a rare subespecies that has been in the brink of extintion since the turn of the century. Of course, this is very bad news, but no so bad as if we lost all Diceros bicornis!
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Boys, boys, Western black rhino is not THE black rhino, but a rare subespecies that has been in the brink of extintion since the turn of the century. Of course, this is very bad news, but no so bad as if we lost all Diceros bicornis!
I was tracking that. Most sub-species of rhino probably have specimens worldwide in captivity, but regardless, 7 billion humans and growing has consequences on the environment, and with the economic growth of Asia and the continuing poverty of Africa mixed together, the problem is going to get worse before it gets better.
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Perhaps? You obviously didn't read the articles. There is no question what is contributing to the extinction. Poaching, in high numbers. More specifically because superstitious Vietnamese (primarily but other Asian countries too) believe that rhino horn cures cancer and they pay a lot of money for it.

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Santiago, thanks, I think we all knew this article referred to a subspecies. However, you start down the "Well, it's just a subspecies" path and the next thing you know all you've got left is one genetically impoverished population of the main species somewhere. Negev leopards, Asiatic lions, Iranian cheetahs - it would be tragic to lose them even with other populations still around.

I've seen one black rhino in the wild, from a Cessna flying low over the Namib Desert. Even at that remove it was a thrilling sight.
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