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Old July 21st, 2016, 03:34 PM
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Doug -

This is an example of why this community is so enjoyable to be associated with... I spend a lot of my life volunteering for various boards, many of which consume a whole lot more time than I had factored. But, I do it to make things happen - otherwise, they just wouldn't on their own.

Here, you appear to be rallying the troops to make something happen that benefits all of us and that's really appreciated by me.

Given that I live in northern Vermont, I will consider myself fortunate that both Defenders will not only be in storage at the time these are likely to arrive (i.e. I'd actually have time over the winter to install) - but also that it'd be plenty cool enough outside that a/c isn't needed!
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Old July 21st, 2016, 04:04 PM
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It's warm here today. I want mine now.

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Old July 21st, 2016, 04:11 PM
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I find it funny how people want to buy AC units in July when they should be getting their heating systems done now.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 04:19 PM
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Bryan Adams' VOD 100, based on a 200 Tdi Disco engine, had a Diavia unit. Maybe the hardware is still available?

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Old July 21st, 2016, 06:48 PM
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The 200 and 300 kits would be very different.
Compressor mounting and Vbelt verses serpentine.
Also RHD vs LHD is also very different.
So what happens if you need a LHD 300TDI kit and UD orders you a RHD 200TDI Kit?
You need to be specific.



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Old July 21st, 2016, 08:46 PM
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Old July 27th, 2016, 01:20 PM
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Hey everyone, I contacted the US webasto rep out of Michigan about these units. I am still waiting on a parts list on what is included in the kits. So far, this is what I got from Webasto as far as what they make for Defenders. I'm trying to sort out what is relevant to most owners and what isn't. Personally, I think it would be easier to either buy a right hand evaporator or a left hand evaporator. Then, everyone would be responsible for assembling the rest of the parts they need for their specific application. We could make a list of parts needed based on what engine / model you have. Just throwing out some ideas. The price is going to be around $1000 shipped to Michigan based on the potential sale of 20 units. So, maybe just a little more to move it down the line, which I think is very reasonable (even if it is just an evaporator unit you are getting). Again, I'm waiting to find out what is in each kit. Maybe the kits are somewhat complete??? I also think there may be a little room to ride them on the price a little b/c we are talking about almost $20k in business.....

Now, this is not my business / or side business by any means (I'm a dentist), but I am fairly organized and would be happy to spearhead this order when the time comes. There would be no markup and everyone would just pre-pay for their unit. I feel like the forum community has been very good to me for the short time I have been a member and this is my "pay it forward." Uncle Douglas, I sent you a few emails over the weekend. Not sure if you are getting them. If everyone would rather have a more "senior member" take this over, then that is perfectly fine. At the end of the day, all I want is an A/C unit that works and doesn't cost $3k

Here is what I have from the Webasto rep... If anyone has some experience with the correct numbers and what is included in the kits, please let me know.


620021513A
Support SX Defender 2.5 TD5
620021514A
Support condenser DX Land Rover Defender 2.5 TD5
620282077A
Wiring Harness Land Rover Defender 2.5 TD5
62037BL85A
Fasteners Land Rover Defender 2.5 TD5
621BL15100EB
AC-Kit Land Rover Defender 2.5 TDI E3 left hand drive
621BL18800EB
AC-Kit Land Rover Defender 2.5 TDI E3
621BL19501EA
AC-Kit Land Rover Defender 2.4 TDI
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AC-Kit Land Rover Defender 90 LHD
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Old July 27th, 2016, 01:58 PM
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I find it funny how people want to buy AC units in July when they should be getting their heating systems done now.
That's what my wife said, I'm working on getting my heater to work now but since these buys take time I figured it would be winter before they would be ready. Not as cold as back east but still pretty chilly here in the rockies in the winter. Thanks Uncle Doug and Stancey
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Old July 27th, 2016, 01:59 PM
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Hey everyone, I contacted the US webasto rep out of Michigan about these units. I am still waiting on a parts list on what is included in the kits.
Can you get pictures or drawings so we can see if they are old style or new style?
Can you order the parts separately?
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Old July 27th, 2016, 02:18 PM
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Did a search and found this for 621BL15100EB

94/98 2.5 Tdi LHD
compressor
Compressor mounting kit
Condenser with bracket
Evaporator with accessories
Receiver / dryer
pressure switch
harness
Refrigerant lines and connectors
Kit includes also products: 623BL90C (control element)

https://www.koberger-hamburg.de/diav...0-2-5-tdl.html

621BL18800EB 2000-2006 DIAVIA retrofit air conditioning Land Rover Defender 2.5 TD5 (Don't know if it is LHD)

621BL19501EA 2007-2011 2.4/2.2 Puma DIAVIA retrofit air conditioning Land Rover Defender (Don't know if it is LHD)
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Old July 27th, 2016, 02:57 PM
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I think they will only allow us to order something that they have a physical part number. So, if your question is that I need certain parts out of one of their "complete" kits, I doubt it. It has been hard to get details from them. It seems like if I get them a part number, he gives me a price right away, lead time, etc.... If I ask a question about something, he in turn asks his counterpart in Spain / Italy and then well......you know how that goes. I love those countries very much, but being an American and trying to do business in those places..... you got to be really patient b/c things move quite slowly. It must be all of the pasta and siestas...

BTW - If for a $1000 you are getting a complete kit, then that is a hell of a deal... Even if you have to hunt down some brackets for your specific application....
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Old July 27th, 2016, 03:11 PM
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I think they will only allow us to order something that they have a physical part number. So, if your question is that I need certain parts out of one of their "complete" kits, I doubt it. It has been hard to get details from them. It seems like if I get them a part number, he gives me a price right away, lead time, etc.... If I ask a question about something, he in turn asks his counterpart in Spain / Italy and then well......you know how that goes. I love those countries very much, but being an American and trying to do business in those places..... you got to be really patient b/c things move quite slowly. It must be all of the pasta and siestas...

BTW - If for a $1000 you are getting a complete kit, then that is a hell of a deal... Even if you have to hunt down some brackets for your specific application....
I agree up to a point Stancey, but at this time we don't know what the kit even looks like.
Does it look like the Elite or the older style Diavia units?
Is it the same or similar kit that RN sells?
Without pictures or drawings, we don't know what we are buying so it sounds like a good deal @ $1000, but we need to know what they look like before we can be 100% certain.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:00 PM
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:03 PM
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I'd be interested in a RHD 200Tdi.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:26 PM
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For those with non listed engine configurations, I wouldn't be too worried about it. That will just be a matter of having two new lines made by a local a/c shop. I paid about $120 IIRC to have two lines made for my a/c in my D90 at a local shop in Va.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:38 PM
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For those with non listed engine configurations, I wouldn't be too worried about it. That will just be a matter of having two new lines made by a local a/c shop. I paid about $120 IIRC to have two lines made for my a/c in my D90 at a local shop in Va.
You're correct if the engine drive pulley is compatible with the compressor.
You'll need a different compressor or at a minimum need to swap the compressor clutch if your engine has a V-belt pulley and the kit comes with a serpentine belt compressor.
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For those with non listed engine configurations, I wouldn't be too worried about it. That will just be a matter of having two new lines made by a local a/c shop. I paid about $120 IIRC to have two lines made for my a/c in my D90 at a local shop in Va.
I was thinking the same thing, seems like you should be more concerned with the orientation of the condenser on the v8 vs other configurations since brackets and mounts are going to be fairly universal or, worst case, you sell you condenser on fleabay as there is always a market for them
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:50 PM
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I finally got the installation manual for part number 621BL18800EB (TD5) and 621BL15100EB (2.5TDI). It looks like the kits include everything to install (hoeses, brackets, compressor, evaporator, wiring, condenser, etc..). They are about 40 page pdf files that have a parts list and I can't figure out how to download them to the thread, so if someone can do that, I'll send them to you. They also have pictures of what the inside units look like. Part number (621BL19501EA) is for the PUMA dash, which I doubt most people will be needing. I haven't had a chance to go through the two kits to see what the part differences is. They both look to be LHD units. I emailed webasto and asked for clarification of two things.
1. Do they make a RHD unit
2. What is this part number 6293BL90C and is it included in the above kits or is
it an additional expense. I have a feeling it is the blower / evaporator unit
and I hope it is included in the $1000 I was quoted.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 04:53 PM
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Steven,
Happy to have you run with the ball.
It appears the choices are left or right hand drive 300 tdi or left or right hand drive td5 for the complete kits.
I had emailed the girl in Spain asking about other configurations and like Steven got no response.
If you have a 200 tdi or non serp v8 this means you will need a v belt compressor clutch or a different compressor.

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Did a search and found this for 621BL15100EB

94/98 2.5 Tdi LHD
compressor
Compressor mounting kit
Condenser with bracket
Evaporator with accessories
Receiver / dryer
pressure switch
harness
Refrigerant lines and connectors
Kit includes also products: 623BL90C (control element)

https://www.koberger-hamburg.de/diav...0-2-5-tdl.html

621BL18800EB 2000-2006 DIAVIA retrofit air conditioning Land Rover Defender 2.5 TD5 (Don't know if it is LHD)

621BL19501EA 2007-2011 2.4/2.2 Puma DIAVIA retrofit air conditioning Land Rover Defender (Don't know if it is LHD)
Looks like Bosch is doubling the quoted price
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Old July 27th, 2016, 06:49 PM
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Sub'd - Steven turned me on to this last night while pulling his engine.

I'm in but waiting to hear details on the RHD V8.

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They are about 40 page pdf files that have a parts list and I can't figure out how to download them to the thread, so if someone can do that, I'll send them to you.
I can upload it to my drop box and then share a link here...
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