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Old May 26th, 2014, 08:31 PM
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Waxoyl or not? +gas octane question.

Have a rust free 1995 NAS D90 SW in New Jersey. Will be garage kept, driven to and from work around 40 minutes each way in the Spring, Summer and Fall, rain or shine. Garaged in the winter so no exposure to snow/salt.

I want to keep this rust free so is it worthwhile to Waxoyl the undercarriage? If yes, how often does it need to be repeated?

The Defender manual recommends premium, 91 or 92 octane, if I remember correctly. Does anyone follow this or do you just use regular?
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Old May 26th, 2014, 08:40 PM
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Have a rust free 1995 NAS D90 SW in New Jersey. Will be garage kept, driven to and from work around 40 minutes each way in the Spring, Summer and Fall, rain or shine. Garaged in the winter so no exposure to snow/salt. I want to keep this rust free so is it worthwhile to Waxoyl the undercarriage? If yes, how often does it need to be repeated? The Defender manual recommends premium, 91 or 92 octane, if I remember correctly. Does anyone follow this or do you just use regular?
It's a crappy old Buick or some such junk engine. I run mine on regular. There is no detectable difference and the ECU is certainly not smart enough to take advantage of it.

I wouldn't waxoyl as people tend to be suspicious of what it's hiding. A clean rust free chassis is worth more than a clean rust free chassis covered in waxoyl. That being said you may want to do the inside of the frame. It should only need doing once.

Regular washing the underneath and ensuring its dry in the garage should keep it in great condition.

Oh and congrats on the vehicle. A fine choice ... SW's are the gentlemen's choice!
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Old May 26th, 2014, 09:05 PM
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I always waxoyl, and take photos before to show the state. I'd rather take apart a waxoyl'd truck than a rusty one.
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Old May 26th, 2014, 09:39 PM
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i use waxoyl in strategic locations sparingly, they also have clearish waxoyl

ive always used 93, i put regular in my d90 once it pinged
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Old May 26th, 2014, 09:58 PM
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The clear Waxoyl is meant to go inside doors, chassi etc. the other kind is external only.
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Old May 26th, 2014, 09:59 PM
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I have a 91 Range Rover; 3.9 same motor as your D90.

I have run 91 octane most of the time and 87 octane some of the time with no noticeable difference.

For many years though I have only used ethanol-free fuel.

That will make a difference in the life of your motor.


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Old May 26th, 2014, 10:06 PM
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Why wouldn't you just adjust your timing accordingly?
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I was in the same situation when I bought my Defender almost 10 years ago.
It was very clean and rust free. I decided to keep it rust free by waxoyling it.
Rather than take it somewhere to have it done , I decided to do the job myself.
I removed the exhaust, tranny xmember, gas tank skid plate etc to get better coverage.
I'm glad I did it, and I would do it again. I also did my LR3. To this day, I still have waxoyl seeping from the doors on hot days!

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I have a 91 Range Rover; 3.9 same motor as your D90.

I have run 91 octane most of the time and 87 octane some of the time with no noticeable difference.

For many years though I have only used ethanol-free fuel.

That will make a difference in the life of your motor.

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I think I'm going to run ethanol free in my trucks.
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Defiantly waxoyl it if applied properly it will self level and just look like the chassis was painted ..in my experience I would touch up yearly but should do a full spray every 5yrs or when needed ..as for the octane 92 always lower octane fuel will cause carbon build up on valve stems which will then cause the dreaded muliple missfire codes due to sticky valves ..but thats my 25yr experience talking good luck with the new truck and always maintain it properly
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Why wouldn't you just adjust your timing accordingly?
because that wouldn't make a good scary comment ... if it pinged on regular it probably was mis-adjusted regardless.
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clear is for inside the body but its lasts a while in areas where you ddon't want the black goop. I will say it does stain from the clayey piedmont mud here in.Nc,
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Clear works well on nuts and bolts, also works similar to white silicone lube on hinges. Black hard wax just gets too dirty to spray while doing a job
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i put regular in my d90 once it pinged
that was probably the sound of beer cans falling out the back...not an octane issue.
the 2 sounds can be confusing


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Thanks all. I will Waxoyl it. Thanks Jeff for the suggestion about the fuel stablizer. I need to do that for another vehicle as well.
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I have a 91 Range Rover; 3.9 same motor as your D90.

I have run 91 octane most of the time and 87 octane some of the time with no noticeable difference.

For many years though I have only used ethanol-free fuel.

That will make a difference in the life of your motor.


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Jeff, I wish that ethanol-free gas was available in NOVA. That was some time ago.
http://pure-gas.org/?stateprov=VA
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Jeff, I wish that ethanol-free gas was available in NOVA. That was some time ago.
http://pure-gas.org/?stateprov=VA

A mechanic friend of mine says if you cant run ethanol-free, change your fuel filter yearly.
I really think ethanol is more of an issue than octane on 14CUX/OBD1 Rovers.

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Snake oil or something that might help combat ethanol?
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