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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:11 PM
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Virginia Personal Property (vehicle) tax

any VA residents get screwed this year like me?

I don't exactly remember what I was paying before on the Defender, but I'm guessing it was under $60.

my bill for this 1/2 year comes to $431.76.

I was told that my D90 was misclassified previously as a Range Rover, and that they wouldn't assess the back taxes I should owe - which I am thankful for. The person on the phone said that a Defender is an exotic like a Viper or a "Spyder" (no mention of make) and that is the reason the tax is so high. Aaaaaandddd it will likely increase every year due to the rarity of the Defender.

Anybody fight city hall and win on this one?
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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:13 PM
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yep....we all had a little chat offline about this. Loudoun County nailed D-90 owners this year, and will going fwd until they become "vintage" I guess?
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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:16 PM
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Move out of Virgintuckey.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:17 PM
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I paid about $800/year when I was in Arlington.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:21 PM
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I paid the bill but am attempting to convince the county that my truck isn't worth what they now claim it is. What's crazy is they don't have an inspector or inspection process that you can use to contest the tax. The person I spoke to told me to go to a body shop and get an estimate to get it repaired (perhaps based on my statement that it didn't have a straight body panel on it) and to send in pictures and the estimate.

Of course the local body shop can't find a price book (or is claiming so) so I'll have to try someplace else (lav has suggested a place).

So for kicks I took it to the dealer hoping they would give a low appraisal. Sadly they claimed the county used to use KBB and now that it is no longer listed (have not tried to verify this) that they use sales. He produced a printout of some recent sales which depending on how you read it, either supports their taxable amount or lowers it (if using the low number). So I might submit that too.

But this is likely your best bet for this.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 03:39 PM
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THAT is absurd. I understand property tax, but most states just do a flat fee after so many years. At what point does VA cap the tax? You said it increases every year?
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Old May 7th, 2013, 04:20 PM
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Y'all should have joined the military. The tax is waived for us!
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But this is likely your best bet for this.
You got that right.

You'll pay more for a D, compared to a LR3.

Fucking ridiculous.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 04:59 PM
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Wow I don't even live down there and it's messed up. What the Hell is SOME OTHER SOURCE?! Sadly, NADA values a 1994 D90 ST with 150,000 miles in Zip 22035 at a Low Retail of $25,900 and High Retail of $64,900 and an Average Retail of $38,500 - I'd say that's pretty damn high. But I am willing to let my D90 go to the first person who is willing to buy it at Average Retail since my truck is definitely nicer than the Low end.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1994/...Top-4x4/Values

Official word from Fairfax County:

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta/cartax_carvalues.htm

"According to the Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service with the University of Virginia, 'For valuation of automobiles, all localities use the National Automobile Dealers’ Association’s Official Used Car Guide (NADA) as their primary valuation guide for cars and sport utility vehicles. When a vehicle is not listed in the primary guide, the locality obtains values from some other source.'"
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Old May 7th, 2013, 05:06 PM
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Original
MSRP $28,650

Low
Retail $28,200

Average
Retail$ 43,000

High
Retail$ 69,200 Mileage (100,000)


NADA gives the above valuations for a '95 D90. What value do they use for the tax basis?
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Old May 7th, 2013, 05:07 PM
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Sale prices...also use eBay and Autotrader...we all know what they are going for these days.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 05:23 PM
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But this is likely your best bet for this.
I actually clicked it!!

Thanks all for your input! I'm gonna try and fight it and will keep you updated.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 05:35 PM
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Dave, are you in the Leesburg town limits as well? If so, thinking you are doubly hosed like with property taxes on houses.
I'll include you on the next distro when we commiserate over our tax bills.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 05:52 PM
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You got that right.

You'll pay more for a D, compared to a LR3.

Fucking ridiculous.
But not for an LR4 I buy the 3 pack
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Old May 7th, 2013, 06:38 PM
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Yeah I thought Virginia was for Lovers...not taxes...lol. glad I had a work around when I bought mine...then I moved so it wasn't an issue!
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Old May 7th, 2013, 06:52 PM
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Y'all should have joined the military. The tax is waived for us!
Unless you are actually from VA and maintain residency because you like paying taxes... (Oh, and b/c you want your kids to have in state tuition to a number of good schools-something that I wouldn't get if I was calling Delaware my state of residence-no offense Bill).

Still, ya'll getting screwed...
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Old May 7th, 2013, 07:17 PM
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Just made the move to Arlington two weeks ago and narrowly avoided the taxes (active military), but did some research beforehand. I found their estimated property values to be very similar to NADA "low" values on all three of our vehicles.
If I'm not mistaken (I'll search for the link), you're able to contest their values electronically, and submit a bill of sale. Granted, this would only be beneficial to those who paid less than ~"NADA low" for their D-90's, but worth looking into...
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Old May 7th, 2013, 07:45 PM
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Interesting, the 97 LE has no values for NADA or KBB. Wonder if they'd just use the regular 90. Texas only has a property tax on leased vehicles and even then it's county specific.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 07:47 PM
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NADA gives the above valuations for a '95 D90. What value do they use for the tax basis?
My friend worked for the tax assessor for Arlington. Its based on NADA/ Blue Book. It doesnt help your case that places like Copley have absolutely zero problem selling NAS90s for the amount they ask for them. All that doesnt add up to help your case any. Like it or not, you have an appreciating asset.
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Unless you are actually from VA and maintain residency because you like paying taxes... (Oh, and b/c you want your kids to have in state tuition to a number of good schools-something that I wouldn't get if I was calling Delaware my state of residence-no offense Bill).

Still, ya'll getting screwed...
I am a VA resident. It's waived because we live on base.
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