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Old November 27th, 2010, 09:44 PM
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OK everyone, I need a reality check.

There is a "1984 Tdi Land Rover 90" on eBay right now. I have talked to the owner once, asking what engine and transmission were in it. He said that he "thought it was a 200 Tdi since it has V-Belts", and didn't know what transmission was in it.

I asked him for a picture of the engine, and also where the reverse gear was (up and to the left, or down and to the right) to try and glean if it was an LT77 or R380. I haven't heard back yet. I thought the snorkel was interesting, as it has a 300 Tdi snorkel, not a 200 Tdi.

The other problem is the VIN listed in the description of the auction. It's SALLDVAC7EAZ18038. When I run it through all of the Land Rover VIN decoders I can find, it comes up as a 1988 with a 2.5 Diesel without turbo. The last thing I want is a 2.5 NA diesel.

So, engine issues aside, the other issue is the year. Obviously a 1988 can't be here legally. So even if the title says 1984, I am worried about liability and insurance, as it doesn't take a brain surgeon to google a land rover vin and get the results.

As soon as I hear back about an engine picture and tranny check, I am going to ask for a picture of the VIN plate or sticker to make sure there is no typo.

Providing the VIN is correct, has anyone heard of these decoders not being on the money?

The auction is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-...item4154cb81b5
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Old November 27th, 2010, 10:13 PM
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The truck is imported and has a 1984 title so its a moot point on the identity but I would suspect your vin decoder is flawed.

Lt77 floors and tunnel and when you enlarge the dash pick reverse is up and to the left. His "professional" lhd conversion didn't change the wipers from rhd so this thing will be somewhat unsafe to drive in the rain. The wipers wont clear the windsheild in front of your field of view.
Determine if its a defender or disco engine.

Someone here may know the truck and be able to answer your questions-its not one I have seen before.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 10:26 PM
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Doug,

THANKS!

Thankfully I live in San Diego, where rain isn't that big of a worry, but it will be something I will fix as safety has to come first. I already have a Series with no working wipers, so I know how that goes.

I am waiting for the picture of the engine. That will reveal much I feel.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 10:31 PM
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If its a disco 200 engine it will be interesting to see how the exhaust clears the steering-it cant be done without modifying the steering shaft or the exhaust manifold/turbo. If its a defender engine no issues @ all.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 10:45 PM
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I can help! I actually imported this truck and sold it to someone else, who sold it to this fellow. Its a 1984 with a 200tdi and an lt77 trans. Its a really good and solid truck that I drove all around NC and VA for months before selling it.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 12:17 AM
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I don't think its an issue of whether or not you'll get rain, but rather an issue of lingering question: "if they couldn't be bothered to switch the wipers, what other corners did they cut?"

On all these trucks with missing unknown histories and questionable work, I wouldn't touch one unless I could get it cheap cheap cheap. With decent NAS trucks obtainable for 15k, I can't see paying much for one of these imports.

Disclaimer - I can't get to ebay from here, so I can't evaluate THIS truck.
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13K was the last bid I saw on Ebay. Too much in my opinion unless you can see it first hand and REALLY go over it with a fine tooth comb.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 10:18 AM
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13K was the last bid I saw on Ebay. Too much in my opinion unless you can see it first hand and REALLY go over it with a fine tooth comb.
That was me. I just retracted the bid due to the VIN/Year mismatch... my insurance company was also not comfortable about the years not matching.

That was the upper limit of what I was willing to pay for that truck, and had asked a bunch of questions from the seller and was not getting a response. Time to move on.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 12:29 PM
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What tool did you use to look up the vin?

I heard anything pre 87 won't work in those systems
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All the Land Rover VIN decoders online, the easiest one is:

http://www.clifton.nl/index.html?calvin.html

But they all come back with the same information. Anything Pre-87 won't work on eBay, but seem to work fine on any of these sites as they are land rover specific.

Edit: looking at various things like the Wikipedia article on VINs show that it might be a 1984, based on the "E" character in the VIN. Who knows. But there is enough ambiguity here that I am going to pass on it... the fact that the insurance company was clearly going to dig their heels in didn't help.
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No ambiguity, it's a 1984-just a non-conforming vin like all pre 1987 Rovers. Different number of digits in VIN pre 87. Rover made no effort to conform to what exporters selling cars into the US were doing until Range Rover NA was created to bring in 87 models so the ONLY way to decode is to use a ROVER specific decoder. Most insurance companies have no issues once this has been explained. Gaydon will issue a "build certificate" or a simple build letter telling you exactly what day it rolled off the assembly line @ Lode Lane.

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I don't think its an issue of whether or not you'll get rain, but rather an issue of lingering question: "if they couldn't be bothered to switch the wipers, what other corners did they cut?"
exactly what I was inferring with the "professional" conversion
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Old November 28th, 2010, 01:51 PM
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No ambiguity, it's a 1984-just a non-conforming vin like all pre 1987 Rovers. Different number of digits in VIN pre 87. Rover made no effort to conform to what exporters selling cars into the US were doing until Range Rover NA was created to bring in 87 models so the ONLY way to decode is to use a ROVER specific decoder. Most insurance companies have no issues once this has been explained. Gaydon will issue a "build certificate" or a simple build letter telling you exactly what day it rolled off the assembly line @ Lode Lane.

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exactly what I was inferring with the "professional" conversion
Yeah, I hear you, which is why I am concerned that all the Rover specific VIN decoders are saying it was a 1988. Do you have another decoder that shows that this is a 1984?

The wipers are just more fuel on this fire. I already retracted the bid, so it's a moot point, but I am still curious if it truly is a 1988 or not.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 02:24 PM
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From what I understand no matter what tool you use a 87 or older vin wont work in those systems. I just played with it with my 94. It works but if you read the vin decoder it tells you the model years and only goes to 88
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Old November 28th, 2010, 02:35 PM
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I actually just ran the vin posted on the one I sometimes use and got an 88 model year. For most rhd UK stuff I run the "log Book" on the DVLA site. Can't do that with this one since the UK plate number isn't available.
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or you can email land rover heritage and ask the year.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 03:32 PM
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I can either try and do a direct import, but if they give me grief I will register it in Oregon (dad lives there, and we have the same name). Shortly thereafter would re-reg in CA.
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He gave the wrong vin. I imported the truck and the E is supposed to be an A.
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