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Old October 13th, 2015, 06:45 AM
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V8 or Tdi?

I have a question.
If you had to choose your next 90/110 and you had the choice between a V8 and a 200 tdi
What would you choose?
and why this choice?
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:18 AM
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If you said 300tdi, I would go with that.

My concern about the 200tdi is the apparent increasing difficulty of getting cylinder heads for 200tdi. While the problem is rare, and amplified in forums like this, being in the USA doesn't help us get replacement parts.

So V8 it is. (and I'm not going to get into the issue of you importing trucks to the US.)
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:54 AM
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If you said 300tdi, I would go with that.

My concern about the 200tdi is the apparent increasing difficulty of getting cylinder heads for 200tdi. While the problem is rare, and amplified in forums like this, being in the USA doesn't help us get replacement parts.

So V8 it is. (and I'm not going to get into the issue of you importing trucks to the US.)
it is always interesting to have different views
In Europe , the V8 is a little scary to buyers due to fuel prices
the V8 is only for sound V8 lovers
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Old October 13th, 2015, 08:25 AM
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Chevy Gen 4 V8 for here in the US. If I'm going to throw stupid money at the problem, might as well get complete awesome.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 08:54 AM
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Old October 13th, 2015, 09:09 AM
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I have a question.
If you had to choose your next 90/110 and you had the choice between a V8 and a 200 tdi
What would you choose?
and why this choice?
Great question! Are you going to want AC?? It could impact on your choice....due to compatibility issues between available equipment....we can help with this....personal preference 200 but you may pay a premium price at the moment for a good 200 Defender....with early 200 production only just becoming eligible for US import....we are paying as much as 20,000 euros for good early 110 200's whereas early 90 200's are comparatively cheaper (mostly due to 1990 production year build ratios - i.e. - low volumes of 110 were built compared with 90's in the early 1990's) best choice for both price, ease of use/reliability and ease of owner fit AC compatibility is a 90 200....i've owned multiple 200's in both Disco and Defender....they are a great motor, more often let down by ancillaries rather than any internal faults...hope this helps - Andy
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Old October 13th, 2015, 09:14 AM
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I just installed a Rover V8.

I can't follow the argument FOR diesel in the U.S.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:06 AM
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Let's see.... V8 power & readily available gas vs diesel mediocre performance (albeit it is nice for offroad tickover) and trying to find fuel at times. The conversions are even better. I ran a 4.3 V6 for years and loved it. I've got a LS1 in my 88" coiler (probably the first LS conversion) and I'm putting a LT1 into my 110 (because it's already here and free). I'm just not a fan of these small displacement diesels. The only exception is the Davis owned Isuzu powered 110.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:10 AM
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I really like the V8 for it's speed and ease of use. Is it as reliable an engine or as good long term as a 300tdi? Hell no but for my driving it works for me.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:51 AM
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I really like the V8 for it's speed and ease of use. Is it as reliable an engine or as good long term as a 300tdi? Hell no but for my driving it works for me.
With the price of gas in the Europe what it is - economy is a big deciding factor for your friends across the Ocean....200 can give twice the fuel return for us Euros! But no, and granted not the same feeling, although with the right exhaust set up (i.e virtually no silencing) a 200 can still sound pretty cool!
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:55 AM
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Let's see.... V8 power & readily available gas vs diesel mediocre performance (albeit it is nice for offroad tickover) and trying to find fuel at times. The conversions are even better. I ran a 4.3 V6 for years and loved it. I've got a LS1 in my 88" coiler (probably the first LS conversion) and I'm putting a LT1 into my 110 (because it's already here and free). I'm just not a fan of these small displacement diesels. The only exception is the Davis owned Isuzu powered 110.
In your experience what has your average range been like on a tank of fuel?
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Old October 13th, 2015, 11:02 AM
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In your experience what has your average range been like on a tank of fuel?
on a 200 we get approx 300 on a 90 and 400 on a 110 - easy reference chart below for you, Andy

URBAN CYCLE (M.P.G.) CONSTANT SPEED (56 M.P.H.)
90" 2.5L PETROL 16.3 Mpg 22.8 Mpg
90" 2.5L DIESEL 26.6 Mpg 28.2 Mpg
90" 200/300 TDI 29.7 Mpg
33.5 Mpg
90" 3.5L V8 PETROL 14.1 Mpg 20.2 Mpg
110" 2.5L PETROL 14.5 Mpg 21.0 Mpg
110" 2.5L DIESEL 21.6 Mpg 24.7 Mpg
110" 200/300 TDI 28.8 Mpg 29.6 Mpg
110" 3.5L V8 PETROL 13.0 Mpg 20.0 Mpg
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The diesel makes sense elsewhere. Its got plenty of power for the lower speeds and then all the benefits people like to brag about become icing on the cake.

However here in the US, you gotta be able to get on the interstate, get going, and maintain it. Here on the east coast, fuel isn't a problem as there is a gas station like, every 5 miles.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 11:16 AM
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The diesel makes sense elsewhere. Its got plenty of power for the lower speeds and then all the benefits people like to brag about become icing on the cake.

However here in the US, you gotta be able to get on the interstate, get going, and maintain it. Here on the east coast, fuel isn't a problem as there is a gas station like, every 5 miles.
Ha you can easily travel 50 miles between fuel stops on the main UK and French highways....
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In your experience what has your average range been like on a tank of fuel?
My '99 D1 4.0 gets around 13 running Volvo injectors. The 4.3/NV4500 with 4.10 r&p and 33" tires got 14-15 around town and maybe 17 on highway. The LS1 is still in the works but I suspect it will net high teens with 4.10 r&p and 35" tires. The LT1 should be comparable to the LS1. The diesel is an ok engine for most and some even tow with it. I tow a car trailer and couldn't deal with the poor performance of an anemic 200 or 300. The prospect of driving at 15 mph in the right lane on an upgrade pulling a trailer and watching egt's climb isn't for me. If you're seriously considering a diesel I'd talk to rdavisinva. He loves a diesel!
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I think the earlier fuel economy figures were quoted in UK gallons and not US gallons.
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I think the earlier fuel economy figures were quoted in UK gallons and not US gallons.
yep....quote was given in UK (imperial gallons)
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Tdi for sure. I get 26 mpg average fuel economy. I can go over 80 mph on the flat. Makes good power even at 11,000 feet.


No ignition system to maintain or fail is also a big plus.
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