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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:17 AM
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UO rack changes

Derek from Urban Offroad recently sent me this note:

"I JUST CHANGED MY JIG TO MATCH THE REAR LADDERS PERFECT TO THE ORIGINAL."

I'm sure anyone unable to find a SD rack will be pleased to hear this.

Derek also sent me pictures of the new changes to his ladder but the pictures he sent are too big to upload here and I don't have anything to cut down their size on this computor so e-mail me if you want to see them.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:14 AM
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I had to pay extra (a lot extra) to get him to match the rear ladder almost exactly. I want to see.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:36 AM
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Thanks for the pics Brad.

Shawn, is the thickness of the ladder the same as the original?
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:38 AM
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thanks for resizing for me...
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Yup, that is my rear ladder.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 12:32 PM
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I would recommend that anyone get just the ladder and crossbars from UO and get the basket from Rover Hybrids. If Shane could get several orders, then he'd be able to order milled parts and offer a better price. I have the Rover Hybrids basket on my truck, and it has 4 features I like:
1) lower profile than the stock basket, which is very deep.
2) stronger tube on the side since as we all know, racks need to be tree sliders.
3) open front for either a roof tent or easy loading of flat goods/materials/long objects.
4) very original NAS-looking aesthetic.

Plus he can put custom mounts and tie-downs wherever you want. Its just an awesome bit of kit.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 03:11 PM
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The crossbars are available from Roverconnection.com still. That is where I got mine. Please post a pic of your rack when you can.

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Thanks for the pics Brad.

Shawn, is the thickness of the ladder the same as the original?

I think so. They look very similar.
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If the inner ladder tube is tapered in at the top like the outside bar is then it will be a very good replica. I'm no welder by anymeans and I imagine this is a tough thing to reproduce so all I can say is nice work!
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:03 PM
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Pics of my rear ladder installed:


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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:19 PM
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If the inner ladder tube is tapered in at the top like the outside bar is then it will be a very good replica.
The angle is actually different between the two, the inner one is less angled than the outer one. The UO one still isnt exactly the same, but its a big improvment over their previous effort.

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Shawn - your setup looks good, I like the boost alloys as well.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:55 PM
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Thanks, I just put them on today. I am waiting on the spare to be redone. One of the things he did was add the bottom step to the ladder on the passenger side. That helped the looks a lot.
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One of the things he did was add the bottom step to the ladder on the passenger side. That helped the looks a lot.
Oh, thats right. It is a huge improvement - that little detail is pretty important according to me. It gives it the right look around the spare. That OEM ladder is really well-designed.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:10 AM
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Here is a comparison between the OEM and the first UO rear ladders. I just didn't like the way it looked and expressed my concern to Derek. He called me back and said he would build me one exactly like the OEM for more money.
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nice. Why wouldnt he have to copy it exactly, I mean he is trying to make a reproduction on what was offered by LR. His racks are getting better.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:01 AM
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I took my basket to get copied and they couldn't make the bends as gradual as the OEM. That is the whole problem here, the radius of the bends. UO and everyone else's equipment can only make sharp bends, whereas SD's racks have a nice gradual curve in the bends. The step was a small thing that he should have done from the beginning.
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Production dies are not made in those dimensions.
We had to have custom dies made in order to match everything SD makes exactly and that meant big bucks.
That is why most places will just make something close because making it 100% correct makes it cost so much people would never pay for it.

Image attached (ours and the SD original) was our first attempt at the exact copy. Everything was right but the lower radius on the LH side was wrong. So we had to have the custom dies made. It sucked from a $ stand point.
Once the new dies were made they are now correct and the baskets are correct now too as seen on the Beach Runner 2 page on the ECR site.

But we have no plans to offer these out of house because if we charged what it took to make these 100% correct everyone would whine about the cost.

My point... they can be made 100% correct, but expect to pay quite a bit more than the "close" ones. The UO units are a good balance for cost IMO.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:41 AM
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No. I just said the UO was a good choice. How would that make me bitter?

I hate mail order. If they start making exact true copies we'll likely buy from them. It sucks making these things by hand one at a time.

Stop fishing for rivalries that don't exist.
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But we have no plans to offer these out of house because if we charged what it took to make these 100% correct everyone would whine about the cost.
that is why I called you bitter. Look Mike you make high quality trucks, and I like what you do, and I like your input. I even defended your standpoint in the 110 for sale thread. What I am saying is your personality on here comes off a little gruff. You sound like one of those mad little nascar mechanics.

It's called supply and demand. You might think you know what people would pay, but usually the seller is the worst judge of the demand cost. Honestly who pays 60k for a 15 year old truck with over 100k on it, that cost 35k new? I will tell you people who want them.

So I am not looking for a rivalry, just merely saying you come off bitter at times.
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