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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:22 AM
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Interesting post this morning re: keyless thefts of new LRs and the ever constant Defender thefts in the UK. It mentions Defenders are stolen to be stripped of parts to feed the demand here stateside. Let's do our part not to feed this into fraudulent system.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:41 AM
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JLR blames OBD, what a joke.

I'd take JLR seriously if they knew what they were talking about. The comment about the Defender is interesting.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:44 AM
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:58 AM
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Just a question and not directed to anyone.
When "new take off" complete Defender bodies or wings, doors, cabs, tubs, seats, interiors, etc. arrive stateside and sold here on the forums, what measures are taken to assure these parts are not stolen? I am not talking about the clearly used ROW and NAS parts or the NTO parts from the contractor in Alabama (?) who are converting and armoring new Defenders.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 10:12 AM
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The demand for Defender parts is not a US problem, its a worldwide problem due in part to the lack of meaningful redesign of the Defender since 1983 (or if you prefer the Series II).

US Defender demand is tiny in comparison to ROW, and JLR's blame the US stance merely backs the mistaken and misguided corporate stance as evidenced by their support for the erroneous seizure of vehicles by Homeland Security.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 10:52 AM
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As someone who has handled large shipments of used parts to the US I can assure you it would be quite difficult to import stolen parts to the US via conventional, ie- cost effective, methods. This was the subject of many uninformed accusations/ comments from some members here in the "Homeland Security took my defender this morning thread".

1) If you put land rover parts in a container, US Customs/Operation Atlantic is going to have a look.
2)If you don't have commercial receipts for every single parcel in your container an investigation is undertaken. If your paper work isn't airtight and provenance not clear, you loose your freight.

Some members of this forum often find it appropriate to comment on the imported used body component prices being asked by some of the vendors on this site. The only point of reference they seemingly have is ebay UK. Costs can easily triple upon arrival before customs lets you have your freight, and there is no guarantee the items have not been damaged/destroyed by customs or the exam warehouse employee's.
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Just a question and not directed to anyone. When "new take off" complete Defender bodies or wings, doors, cabs, tubs, seats, interiors, etc. arrive stateside and sold here on the forums, what measures are taken to assure these parts are not stolen? I am not talking about the clearly used ROW and NAS parts or the NTO parts from the contractor in Alabama (?) who are converting and armoring new Defenders.
In the 'old' days the vin swapped puma trucks ... Who was asking about provenance of the 'donor' vehicle. Given the profit margins slapping a VIN number on a stolen truck and exporting it for a massive profit seams a pretty lucrative scheme.

I suspect many people chose to ignore this probability and justified the cost as a craftsman created rebuild rather than the more likely criminal with a grinder and vin stamp punches.
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Interesting post this morning re: keyless thefts of new LRs and the ever constant Defender thefts in the UK. It mentions Defenders are stolen to be stripped of parts to feed the demand here stateside. Let's do our part not to feed this into fraudulent system.
What a crock of doodoo

Newer land rovers with security systems will require a new computer to be started if stolen

So either you have a new Land Rover and steal a new Land Rover to use your computer or you are a moron

As for parts, wiping the re-key will not stop the breakage business as they probably never use the computer

------ Follow up post added September 4th, 2015 01:50 PM ------

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I remember when you imported my perfectly legal 110 , ( 4-5 yrs ago ) the authorities at the port in the UK acid washed the frame to verify it was 100% on the up n up as the dealer I bought it from in the UK was under investigation for alleged stolen parts, they looked at everything before the truck was allowed to be loaded.




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As someone who has handled large shipments of used parts to the US I can assure you it would be quite difficult to import stolen parts to the US via conventional, ie- cost effective, methods. This was the subject of many uninformed accusations/ comments from some members here in the "Homeland Security took my defender this morning thread". 1) If you put land rover parts in a container, US Customs/Operation Atlantic is going to have a look. 2)If you don't have commercial receipts for every single parcel in your container an investigation is undertaken. If your paper work isn't airtight and provenance not clear, you loose your freight. Some members of this forum often find it appropriate to comment on the imported used body component prices being asked by some of the vendors on this site. The only point of reference they seemingly have is ebay UK. Costs can easily triple upon arrival before customs lets you have your freight, and there is no guarantee the items have not been damaged/destroyed by customs or the exam warehouse employee's.
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Even now the U.S. Customs inspection protocol has shifted. For instance, one cannot ship a new take-off bulkhead now unless it still has the original vehicle's VIN tag still attached to the brake booster. This was not the case two months ago.

Hmm, I wonder what happened two months ago to prompt this change in U.S. Customs policy.........
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It sickens me to see the ineptitude of the people in charge of enforcement....

What year did they stop mounting the vin on the brake booster?

What other bs do we need to be aware of now?
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...sounds like JLR hasnt got a clue.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...len-64723.html



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Interesting discussion.
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