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Old January 16th, 2014, 11:31 AM
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Inspected for what? In NY you have to have doors or a sill which will prevent stuff from rolling out. I don't think there is anything in the PA manual that would apply.
From the Va inspection manual. Looks like tube doors should be fine as long as they have a functioning latch.

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Old January 16th, 2014, 04:16 PM
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The latch has to function from th outside and inside? I guess an 80" S1 is a no go in VA.

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Don't they have a flap to access the handle from either side?
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Old January 16th, 2014, 04:34 PM
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Got some material today if anyone needs some biggest issue is coming up with a cool design that is unique for defenders that won't make them look stupid. You can reuse the hinges but will want to get handles which run around $50-70 ea or so before you even started your at $100-$140. Plus material is between $2.50-$6 a linear foot depending on size and thickness. Plus fab time, welding, polishing and powder coating. Realistically your looking at $650-$800 a set for good quality ones. A small run would be cool but no one is going to invest to put these on the shelves anywhere.
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The first big hurdle are the hinges. Jeeps have hinges with pins. So for rovers you'd have to unbolt the hinge. This could be solved with developing a new hinge with removable pin (there, I'm a genius). I have a CAD design for these, but production and cost would be pretty extreme ($50 each hinge bare Ali)

Sadly, there isn't enough of a demand for hinges and tube doors to warrant the development effort. I love the design above, and it's similar to what I was working on, but even a limited production run put the costs at nearly $1k for doors, hinges, and ST door latches.

If a group of 10 people want to pursue getting a set, we might be able to make it happen. You could cut the cost a bit by supplying without hinges and latches.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 05:13 PM
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There's a lot of ways to make it work, but I agree with brewie and wolf that the economics don't make a whole lot of sense.

Taking into account the cost of manufacturing these doors in small quantities - even excluding hinges or latches - add profit, and prices look to be at least several hundred per door. At that price point, it stands to reason that buyers wouldn't want a workaround solution that requires design concessions to be compatible with the stock factory components.

I think that buyers would want something that will totally blow them away aesthetically...and at point, I think it would make more sense economically to use non-Defender latches, full-custom hinges, and new strikers, sold as a complete set.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 05:23 PM
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Why can't we just design a bracket to bolt to the existing door hinge? Just unbolt the four door hinge bolts removing the door and leaving the existing hinges in place. Designing a bracket to bolt directly shouldn't be terrible but I haven't looked at it closely. I agree quick disconnect hinges would be killer, but they also have issues. Ie coming out to your jeep with no doors! Which has happened to me before living in the city. I agree to keep the design simple and easy, simplicity is was is so attractive to me on the defenders. Realistically if we could design a door and have the applicant have the option to reuse their existing latches and hinges product cost would stay pretty low. Any way just a couple thoughts!
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Plus if you keep the hinge you keep the mirror.
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I have a set of doors with messed up skins but perfect steel frames. I may peel them and attach expanded metal like what Jeff posted earlier in the thread.
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The Rover Accessories tube door just bolted up to the hinges and used a spring loaded pin to secure behind the catch and you could locate the pin up or down via the nuts which was a simple little bracket wielded to the tube.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 09:14 PM
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This is the setup I have- really enjoy them any season but now. Sorry for the unmounted pic as they are currently in storage in the barn. The other image is from several years ago. I like the fact that it incorporates genuine latches and uses the stock hinges to preserve use of the side mirrors.

If anyone needs dimensions or anything else regarding this design pm me.

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Next we will be doing a group buy of these! I don't even know what to call it? Tube top?
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This is the setup I have- really enjoy them any season but now. Sorry for the unmounted pic as they are currently in storage in the barn. The other image is from several years ago. I like the fact that it incorporates genuine latches and uses the stock hinges to preserve use of the side mirrors. If anyone needs dimensions or anything else regarding this design pm me. Cheers, Jay
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Old January 24th, 2014, 10:59 AM
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If anyone is interested pm me and I will do a small run on these if we can come up with a simple design. You will make them to use the existing hinges and factory door latch but you will have to supply your own handles. Thinking around $400 price point for a set powder coated.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 09:25 PM
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So we have three takers, let's post the pics we like the best.
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I had a set for my Jeep many years ago and loved them. I had a set planned for my IIA, had a set of SIII hinges and extra door handle assemblies.
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So we have three takers, let's post the pics we like the best.
Bad timing. If I was sure yet that I would be getting my truck back, you would have 4 names on that list.
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If anyone is interested pm me and I will do a small run on these if we can come up with a simple design. You will make them to use the existing hinges and factory door latch but you will have to supply your own handles. Thinking around $400 price point for a set powder coated.
Make that 4 on the list. Definitely in on this.
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as far as my .02 on design, I like the ones like these. The Rover Accessories web design was a little over the top for my taste...
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I am in as long as I can make them work on my 109.
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What size pins are these?
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