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Old January 28th, 2016, 01:58 AM
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The most "makes sense" explanation for the end of the current Defender

This conversation goes on for about 5 minutes, but it really makes sense as to why the Defender has to change (specifically the body style an proportions).

I don't think I have heard anyone put it quite this clear as to the biggest issue facing the Defender.


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Old January 28th, 2016, 02:24 AM
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Except the doors on a TJ or JK are not much longer.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 02:26 AM
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I was thinking about what it's going to take to replace the Defender.

The starting point is in itself a problem. That being the chassis. Do they stay with separate chassis or adopt the integrated body frame of the Discovery/LR4?
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Old January 28th, 2016, 02:39 AM
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I think the word is that it's going to be built on an existing platform. (integrated).

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Except the doors on a TJ or JK are not much longer.
But I think the bulkhead on the Jeep is further forward, and more flat. The Defender toe box allows the seating position to be closer to the bulkhead.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:06 AM
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Ok I can't take that guy serious because he drives a Freelander.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 06:50 AM
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Ok I can't take that guy serious because he drives a Freelander.
He actually does several nice instructional videos on YouTube. They are about 20min longer than they need to be, but that should not surprise you.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:08 AM
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Yup, that makes sense. All about safety. Pretty soon we will all just be bubble wrapped at birth as the government tries to prevent any sort of injury or death to happen to us before old age get us in the end.

So the new defender will have a sloping font windscreen to accommodate the dash and increase the distance between the passenger and the dash. So maybe the outline it will look like a small sprinter van or transit with a long nose and all the sharp corers will be beveled off.
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The Defender is perfect, other than its propensity towards corrosion. It is a little bit noisy, this is easily mitigated with earplugs from the drug store.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 07:52 AM
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Although we are biased against them, Jeep with the JK (2dr), JKU (4dr) and the planned JL (2018MY) continue to demonstrate that if a manufacturer wants to, they can produce a modern yet capable off road oriented vehicle with all of the features that we praise about the Defender and more:

-Traditional box frame
-Solid axles front and rear
-Factory front / rear locking differentials (no longer only on Rubicon model)
-Bolt on front and rear bumpers for ease of aftermarket conversion
-Factory winch ready bumpers
-Sway bar disconnect

If they wanted to, LR could make it happen.
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Although we are biased against them, Jeep with the JK (2dr), JKU (4dr) and the planned JL (2018MY) continue to demonstrate that if a manufacturer wants to, they can produce a modern yet capable off road oriented vehicle with all of the features that we praise about the Defender and more:

-Traditional box frame
-Solid axles front and rear
-Factory front / rear locking differentials (no longer only on Rubicon model)
-Bolt on front and rear bumpers for ease of aftermarket conversion
-Factory winch ready bumpers
-Sway bar disconnect

If they wanted to, LR could make it happen.
Absolutely agree. Should not be that hard.
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Now that Jeep has done the hard work for LR and proven a market does exist they are well positioned to knock one out of the park Imo. The brand is at an all time high so I can't imagine a comparable iconic design like jeep has pulled off with a LR badge and a Diesel engine would not fly off the lots. But if they build a low end vehicle aimed at the female/metrosexual market they're eff'd in the head and it'll be an embarrassment to the community Imo.
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The Wrangler and the Geländewagen prove that it can be done and people will buy them.
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Now that Jeep has done the hard work for LR and proven a market does exist they are well positioned to knock one out of the park Imo. The brand is at an all time high so I can't imagine a comparable iconic design like jeep has pulled off with a LR badge and a Diesel engine would not fly off the lots. But if they build a low end vehicle aimed at the female/metrosexual market they're eff'd in the head and it'll be an embarrassment to the community Imo.
Agree. Although the Jeep is a fantastic vehicle, it's become something you see every mile...usually a female or some twat waffle that's covered it in Monster stickers and untouched hi-lift jacks.
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To be fair, Land Rovers have their share of unused Hi-lifts, winches, and empty roof racks. -Jeff
Very true Jeff. No argument there.
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To be fair, Land Rovers have their share of unused Hi-lifts, winches, and empty roof racks. -Jeff
Very true Jeff. No argument there.
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To be fair, Land Rovers have their share of unused Hi-lifts, winches, and empty roof racks.

-Jeff
Please leave Pedro out of this.
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If they wanted to, LR could make it happen.
My take, and I'm probably completely wrong, is that the business model being used has already ceded the minimalist/offroad market to Jeep and Toyota and is aimed @ the more upscale buyer/ "overlander" demographic.
I haven't followed the spy articles about what the new truck might be but I'd bet it will be built on the same platform as one of the other models with simply a different design that pays some homage to the predecessor. Kind of like how the H2 was built on a Tahoe platform but meant to look a little like an H1. Its just not profitable anymore to build vehicles the way the defender was built.
Again probably wrong, but I think the values for this truck will continue to rise as supply falls.
I do hope some cottage industry types take up making the parts for the trucks. We have taken the nto/new take off parts like tdci doors and bulkheads and seats for granted, that's over. Then again if TATA starts building them in India as you guys said in the other thread, game on, containers of NTO parts from India !

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Saw three Wranglers on the 2.4 mile drive home last night. Each of them with big tires / lights / stickers.

Have you looked underneath one recently?

We need a replacement for the aging Disco, so stopped at the local Jeep dealer last Spring.

Sheesh! All the stamped sheet metal bits underneath are not confidence inspiring.

That and the fact that almost every flat surface on the vehicle has to remind you that it's a JEEP or a SAHARA or some other silly thing really put the nail in the coffin on that thought.

Oh, and expert guy in that video might want to consider that there are still a few 80/86/88s on the road whose doors don't quite interchange with the Defender
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Mercedes is looking to come out with a 4 door pickup truck. So maybe LR will join them and secede the slightly lower priced class to jeep and toyota tacomas/hiluxes
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Except the doors on a TJ or JK are not much longer.
I'm pretty sure this door size isn't a real problem, or even if it is, it's not a hard one to correct:

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