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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:48 AM
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Thank You Arkonik!

I know Ė thought provoking thread title. In the interest of not overloading a server somewhere I will call myself a jackass and cut down on the need for people to respond*. I will also admit that I have never seen an Arkinok truck and donít really know anything about them. From the posts I have read it seems like they may have made some mistakes in the past, seem to have a nice gig going now, and some people think they overcharge for what they do: sounds like every other business that made it through the Great Recession to me.

Here is the thing I thank them for: the more they charge for their vehicles the better in my opinion. When my neighbor fixes up his 1970ís ranch and sells it for 2x what he paid for it 2 years ago I thank him (not saying that is what Arkinok does because I donít know) rather than slander him. The upside value of my house just went up! A rising tide lifts all boats, mark to market comps, etc, etc (Actually I will slander the seller when my property tax bill comes but thatís a different story.)

If Oilburner can get $50 for the washer he has listed by calling it a LHD washer in great condition I should thank him Ė my bucket of washers that was worth 0 yesterday may now be worth something between .01 and $50.

Perhaps I rationalize like a Dutch Tulip grower in 1637 or a bundled sub-prime mortgage trader in 2007. But I canít see how having a higher high water mark hurts anyone.

I canít afford an Arkinok vehicle Ė sometimes I canít even afford to buy parts at Rovers North. But I sure am glad Rovers North is out there serving this niche market and I donít begrudge them for making money.

Anyway, I just wanted to see an Arkinok thread title with a positive vibe at the top of the recent discussion board for a few minutes. I donít need to make enemies so if you donít agree, thatís cool; please donít hold it against me when I am buying a used part from you or looking for technical advice - I already admitted that I don't know anything about them. I will end this babbling commentary that no one is likely to care about by pointing out that I work for the IRS and anyone posting disrespectful replies will be audited*.

*one of these 2 sentences will have to be my new signature line.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:52 AM
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Or will it decrease the value, because NAS trucks look correct and lack the blingy features that Arkonik uses?
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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:59 AM
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I think "NAS" is not going to mean anything to a majority of buyers in a couple of years.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:06 PM
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Interesting point - I would guess that there different market segments with different potential customers. Value goes up in all market segments as one segment rises. Hopefully no on is inspired to rip apart a pristine NAS.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:16 PM
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I think "NAS" is not going to mean anything to a majority of buyers in a couple of years.
Do you mean like 2018 when 1993's are 25 years old?


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Do you mean like 2018 when 1993's are 25 years old?


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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:22 PM
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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:25 PM
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Old December 4th, 2015, 12:26 PM
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I would say NAS values here are less than previous years due to the fact you can get a newer imported Defender (2001) for $30,000 ish.

Most people buying these are new Defender owners, and opt for the "newer" truck, making the NAS a harder sale as they are 6 years older and usually priced higher.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 01:29 PM
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Old December 4th, 2015, 01:37 PM
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Exactly unless you are a collector looking for that special edition model.
Its funny how the club/hobbyist side of Defender ownership always says NAS values are going to tank.
They all said that when the 1983/4 110s were going to be able to come in.
Now it comes up again when 1993s will be able to come in.
It isn't the case for most NAS buyers.

99% of the customers that call here daily will not even consider a Euro 110 or 90.
They want NAS or nothing and the values continue to rise.
Nice 90 Wagons I bought for customers last year for 45K now cost me 55K.

I am not saying one is better than the other, but there is a wide customer base, not represented by the people on this forum, that will continue to make NAS Defenders go up in value, especially clean stock units.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 01:46 PM
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I think "NAS" is not going to mean anything to a majority of buyers in a couple of years.
Sentiment shared by most non NAS defender owners who secretly want one and hope they will be able to buy one in the future....
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Old December 4th, 2015, 01:49 PM
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I think "NAS" is not going to mean anything to a majority of buyers in a couple of years.
Probably right about majority.

NAS is a collectible for people with more refined taste. 1%!!!
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Old December 4th, 2015, 02:14 PM
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Sentiment shared by most non NAS defender owners who secretly want one and hope they will be able to buy one in the future....
Had a NAS spec 90, spent plenty of time in a NAS 110, The cages are cool, but thats where it ends, If they were priced the same as row, maybe i'd get another, but they aren't the be-all-end-all defender IMO.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 03:18 PM
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I don't think the values are going to take a big dive, just the market of potential purchasers is going to be smaller than it was before more ROW's came in. The true collector or educated buyer knows what he want's and won't settle for anything else.

The guy wanting a Defender cause he thought they looked cool on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom when he was a kid won't care if it's NAS or ROW.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 03:38 PM
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Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom - man I loved that show! I had forgotten all about it. I hope that has nothing to do with why I have messed around with land rovers for the past 20 years - but it probably does.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 03:50 PM
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Old December 4th, 2015, 03:56 PM
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Probably right about majority.

NAS is a collectible for people with more refined taste. 1%!!!
NAS will be nothing compared to actual special editions sold elsewhere. 50th and real Tomb Raider double cabs and 90s come to mind. When people can import anything NAS will only seem desirable to those who want a NAS, not just a legal 50 state Land Rover Defender.

My next vehicle I import(if ever)will be a land cruiser prado j90 or a three door discovery.
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