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I'd be interested in trying one of these out if it does as advertised.
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this is a great find, but curious of it's effect on a 2.8 tgv.
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Dubious. Maybe with a fuel line magnet to help align the atoms tho...
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I say we wait for one or two board members, those who have ordered it already, and if it's any good we can set up a group buy for those who want to try it also.

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I am getting one...will record egt and boost prior to and after.

FWIW my boost peaks at roughly 11-12 on the vdo boost gauge. Can't get anymore. Not sure what is standard for everyone with a 200tdi
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I am getting one...will record egt and boost prior to and after.

FWIW my boost peaks at roughly 11-12 on the vdo boost gauge. Can't get anymore. Not sure what is standard for everyone with a 200tdi
thats about it may be 14 on the day it rolled out of the factory. 300's make 16, again not much more but every little bit helps. If you want more you have to get a different turbo.
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If you guys want good info for tuning a 300TDI, look at the info online for 1st generation Dodge Cummins turbo diesels. They use the same pump, but with 6 channels and there are good writeups on what each adjustment actually does. There is the full fuel screw, fuel pin, AFC star wheel, as well as timing adjustments. Lots of possibilities. Different adjustments increase fueling at different points as the engine spools up and you can tune to make it perform as you want it to.

Many of the Dodge guys just grind their own fuel pins. The stock fuel pin is usually adjustable by rotating it, the cam profile will vary with the rotation angle, so you may want to mess with that before buying a new pin. You can also get VW TD (1.6) fuel pins, there are many different profiles.

Anyone know the injection timing spec for a 300TDI in degrees BTDC?
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The "point" of these pins is to give a larger range of fueling change with boost than is possible with the stock pin. at stock boost levels, there is probably not much to gain as the stock pin can manage. At higher boost, it is not possible with the stock pin to be correctly fueled on and off boost. This pin helps that.

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Anyone know the injection timing spec for a 300TDI in degrees BTDC?
Timing is not really described in that fashion as the injection happens over a period of time. It is set by the amount of lift of the plunger at TDC. It is 1.54 mm for both the 200 and 300 TDI.
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It would be cool to know what the actual timing spec is. I have looked for it for years and never seen the actual timing number. The timing spec not being in degrees has nothing to do with injection event length, most anything with a Bosch VE pump is timed based on plunger lift, it's the way it is set. Generally there is a corresponding table that relates plunger lift into degrees ( I have such a table for both VW and Cummins applications) but I have never seen one for the 300TDI.

I would bet they are retarded from where they would make full power.
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They seem to be retarded a bit from peak power. There is a fair bit of room for variation with the workshop method of locking pins. Using a dial gauge on the plunger is the best way to go if you want to test.

I'm not sure if anyone has played enough to know the best setting. On the 200TDI (what I have), the vacuum pump is in the way, so it is a pain to check with a dial gauge.
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I recently bought an electronic pulse adapter to drive a digital timing light, best thing since sliced bread for checking timing. I think that the general hokeyness of the factory timing procedure is why some 300TDIs seem to run well and some are dogs. I'll eventually time one with the digital stuff and see.
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These pins would work too but I'd only go with the M2 pin as the rest seem a bit extreme
http://www.mandhinc.net/DPD-1-F.html

I emailed him a while go and he sells them for $110
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I'm in for the group buy, but can we do it sometime soon?

I'm craving a good power boost on my defender!
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They seem to be retarded a bit from peak power. There is a fair bit of room for variation with the workshop method of locking pins. Using a dial gauge on the plunger is the best way to go if you want to test.

I'm not sure if anyone has played enough to know the best setting. On the 200TDI (what I have), the vacuum pump is in the way, so it is a pain to check with a dial gauge.
The position of the IP on a 2.8 also makes using a dial gauge a PITA. I have a gauge and haven't done it yet because of that reason.

Digital solution that is as accurate as dial would be high on my list
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These pins would work too but I'd only go with the M2 pin as the rest seem a bit extreme http://www.mandhinc.net/DPD-1-F.html I emailed him a while go and he sells them for $110

Out of stock until January 2015. That is what I was told a couple weeks back.
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More affordable to buy them from the timber trail 4x4 - 55 Gbp = approx. $85
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As discussed earlier timber trail stole the design and you should not be buying from them.
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Timber trail doesn't make the pins and sells them for the manufacturer per my exchange with Timber Trail.

Do you information to the contrary John ?
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