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Old May 21st, 2015, 04:47 PM
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I think Taylor is qualified to certify it as a POS and based on what I can see, I'd say he might be right.

Anyone on the board can say that about any vehicle here. He is not certified to press a buyer to terminate a sale he was not party to no matter what he thinks is right or wrong. If this was pre-sale I would be happy to have an opinion and inspect all he wants but post-sale? No he's out on a limb.

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It really doesn't matter what Taylor or anybody else says. The buyer still has an obligation. Plus, you have no idea what was discussed between the buyer and Taylor.
What does the buyer say?

Agreed. Since his phone call the Buyer is now out of communication and this has been sent to Ebay for non-payment. When Taylor called me he did not identify anything wrong except his opinion on the price in his words "I wouldn't have paid that much so I am not giving you the check."
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Old May 21st, 2015, 04:56 PM
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Who hands out the certifications for that these days? You?

It sounds to me like you sold him a truck, the buyer asked Taylor to make sure it was as advertised before handing over funds, and it wasnt. Pretty simple to me.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 04:59 PM
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Seller Notes: “Outstanding Condition On Body Restoration.”

Truck professionally painted Coniston Green. No dents. No dings.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:01 PM
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Who hands out the certifications for that these days? You?

It sounds to me like you sold him a truck, the buyer asked Taylor to make sure it was as advertised, and it wasnt. Pretty simple to me.


Ok I will say it again. The buyer asked him to pick up a truck and drop off a check. The entire affair took place a week after sale.

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Seller Notes: “Outstanding Condition On Body Restoration.”

Truck professionally painted Coniston Green. No dents. No dings.

You did read that this was a 30 year old Middle East truck right? OK not litigating the vehicle, as these photos were on Ebay, just the actions at pick up. Technically no one is ever going to sell a truck again since apparently we can't all have 2012 specs. If that's what you would do groovy but as of now I'll let Ebay deal with the buyer.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:05 PM
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How do you know what the buyer asked him to do? Its reasonable to assume that the buyer would ask Taylor, as a professional, to make sure the vehicle was as advertised before taking possession and handing over funds.

In fact, as a professional I would hope that Taylor would do so even if he WASN'T asked. It's his responsibility as the party accepting custody of the vehicle.

Sorry that someone stepped in the way of you fleecing a buyer for $50k for your $25k truck.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:08 PM
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So how many of your accusations are based on fact?
Do you know for FACT what the buyer asked Taylor to do?
Do you know for FACT that Taylor sold him a truck?
The situation sucks, for sure. But there's two sides(3 in this case) to every story.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:10 PM
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Malcolm, be honest. The only reason you're upset is because you finally got some sucker to pay way too much for this POS and they got good info to back out.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:30 PM
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So how many of your accusations are based on fact?
Do you know for FACT what the buyer asked Taylor to do?
Do you know for FACT that Taylor sold him a truck?
The situation sucks, for sure. But there's two sides(3 in this case) to every story.

I make no accusations, I am reporting what Taylor told me verbatim. I stated it clearly in quotes. I did not state a sale of another car for fact I said IMHO and put it in apostrophes.


If the buyer wanted to inspect then option a back out, fine, in advance that's due diligence but its up to him to notify me, not the tow truck driver, which is what Taylor was.


Am I am pissed that the buyer backed out? Of course, no one wants to sell a car while halfway around the world and then have to do it again. Apparently, every Rover that's not 100% is now a POS. I guess no one on this forum should expect any sales?
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:38 PM
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http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...les-59646.html

How would you say your truck compares to this one?

Taylor did the buyer a service by alerting him that the vehicle was not as advertised. Bravo to Taylor and shame on YOU for trying to take advantage of another enthusiast.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:48 PM
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How would you say your truck compares to this one?

Taylor did the buyer a service by alerting him that the vehicle was not as advertised. Bravo to Taylor and shame on YOU for trying to take advantage of another enthusiast.

I respect your opinion but the vehicle was exactly as advertised and seen in photos.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:53 PM
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Taylor induced breach of contract in NY State on a transaction without him being asked or involved.
How do you know he was not asked to make sure the vehicle was as advertised before handing over funds?

And, he was absolutely directly involved because he was the party responsible for receiving possession of the vehicle and final payment.

Additionally, the vehicle is absolutely NOT as advertised "restored", "professionally painted".

I would love to see the photos that Taylor took of the vehicle and sent to the buyer...
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Old May 21st, 2015, 05:58 PM
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Malcolm:
Taylor is known as a "stand up guy".
I think if you have a problem with him, you need to address it with your buyer and him directly.

Worth mentioning that:
Had a similar issue with an eBay purchase, a few years ago.
All I did was send the guy his payment back, we canceled the purchase, so there were no seller fees, relisted the vehicle and sold it to someone who really wanted it.
If the vehicle is as nice and original as you say it is, there should be no issues with finding another buyer.
In fact with most nice Defender style vehicles, the problem is typically not a shortage of buyers, it's a shortage of nice vehicles.

I know you are "out-of-town" doing important work, but don't let this cause you issues.
Hang in there and relist.
The situation will right itself in the end.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:05 PM
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I see that Malcolm is going back and editing his posts.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:08 PM
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Malcolm:
Taylor is known as a "stand up guy".
I think if you have a problem with him, you need to address it with your buyer and him directly.

Worth mentioning that:
Had a similar issue with an eBay purchase, a few years ago.
All I did was send the guy his payment back, we canceled the purchase, so there were no seller fees, relisted the vehicle and sold it to someone who really wanted it.
If the vehicle is as nice and original as you say it is, there should be no issues with finding another buyer.
In fact with most nice Defender style vehicles, the problem is typically not a shortage of buyers, it's a shortage of nice vehicles.

I know you are "out-of-town" doing important work, but don't let this cause you issues.
Hang in there and relist.
The situation will right itself in the end.
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I agree this issue is going to work itself out and I appreciate your balance. I just think this has negative implications on private sellers. I didn't think some were so cutthroat but I think it will be a trend and drive POV prices down. Anyone can do this to any sale and some think its just fine.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:10 PM
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Just received these anonymously by email.

Crack in the firewall, bondo in the door, radiator glued together, footwell rusted out, windshield hinge mysteriously eroded, ridiculous overspray on the interior... did any of this appear in the ebay ad?
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:11 PM
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I see that Malcolm is going back and editing his posts.

Yes I did edit that one because if I want to get legal I'll do it properly and through a lawyer. As for now its just a bunch of personal opinions on a forum. Still, lets see what the buyer wants. I don't have time for silliness
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:14 PM
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Guys im the the importer from Vermont that was mentioned and the person that referred the buyer to Taylor. So if its anyones fault then it is mine not Taylor's, Malcom's, or the buyers.

Ive been in Abu Buckwheat shoes and lost deals before. Especially after thinking it had closed and was all done on ebay. It sucks majorly no two ways about it. Hopefully it will sell again. I talked to him on the phone today and he sounds like an awesome guy.

I can vouch for Taylor work and more importantly as a person. He has been working on my Rovers for well over 7 years now and become close personal friend over the last couple . He has taken on everything from un fucking my first 109's electrical nightmare, unfucking my 101.......I dont even want to get into everything that went into that....stupid 101.....and everything since then Defender, 101, Shorland and Jaguar. He always looked after me and my family even when times where tuff and that means the world to me. Between him and Les at Rover's the two of them are my Rover 911. I trust him 100% he has never done me wrong or any of my clients plus many other people I know. Its a hard situation for him. All he did was advise the client of his honest opinion. He did not force him to not pay. What does he gain by going down there and not brining the Rover back? Now he has no paying work on it and wasted a day that he could have been working on other Rovers. Its my fault for even putting him this situation.

Now look at it from the buyers point of view. He has no rover now, this is all exploding on the web and he is left thinking WTF if wrong with this community.

Once again guys is any blame is involved in the whole deal its with me.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:16 PM
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I agree this issue is going to work itself out and I appreciate your balance. I just think this has negative implications on private sellers. I didn't think some were so cutthroat but I think it will be a trend and drive POV prices down. Anyone can do this to any sale and some think its just fine.
I know Taylor and there were most likely good reasons for the way things played out.
He is a do the right thing kind of guy, so I doubt he is "stealing your customer" in some kind of cut throat manner.

But, we may never know the buyers reasoning, but whatever it was, you should be able to recover from this brief setback and have other buyers willing to purchase your 110.
Everyone has different opinions on what is in excellent shape, restored, and what is not.
I wouldn't get "bent out of shape".
Just relist and move on.
You have more important things to focus on.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:20 PM
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I have no dog in this fight.. But after seeing the pics I think Taylor did the right stand up thing...
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Old May 21st, 2015, 06:26 PM
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Just received these anonymously by email.

Great. Now if your friend Taylor, whom I see you are in communication with, would be so kind as to explain why he didn't say a word to me but interjected himself after the transaction I'll write it down accurately. Buyer made a lower offer based on what he saw ... I accepted his lower offer. The Buyer and I discussed the faults and I recommended a shop to repair them and do the interior - He was sent to Taylor but not by me. This was Ebay, not a Kabul street market. No one is obliged to buy it unless they wanted it.


Nice try though. I will resolve this through Ebay. Tell Taylor I have more important things to do in life.
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