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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:53 PM
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States Salt Roads?

This may be a dumb question, but what states use salt components when De-icing roads? I live in CO now, and know that they don't use it out here, but when I grew up NC they did. I figure the NE states use it, but what about mid west?
As you can put together, I am trying to buy a 90 with as little rust as possible and trying to figure out what areas are going to be more prone to rust, hence the salty roads.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Iowa uses a nice brine solution before it starts snowing followed wit a sand/salt mix once its good and sloppy. Result...the Defender stays in the garage until...oh...May or so.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:57 PM
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Well I guess I should add that I would need to know if a state used salt during the 90s...but maybe switched up later...
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This may be a dumb question, but what states use salt components when De-icing roads? I live in CO now, and know that they don't use it out here, but when I grew up NC they did. I figure the NE states use it, but what about mid west?
As you can put together, I am trying to buy a 90 with as little rust as possible and trying to figure out what areas are going to be more prone to rust, hence the salty roads.
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan most definitely salt their roads with immense amounts of salt. Anything made of steel suffers.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 10:36 PM
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Ohio uses magnesium chloride (de-icer) with the salt and that stuff is even more corrosive than the salt.
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I think most states in the lower 48, which get much snow at all, use salt or some other corrosive agent on the roads...I would definitely wash the undercarriage regularly...

Fortunately Alaska doesn't use salt (usually stays so cold that it still freezes back)...They just use gravel on the roads for extra traction...Works great but makes for a LOT of cracked/broken windshields :-( We just drive our old full size Bronce more during the really crappy months...
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Out West Utah is the only one that I can think of that uses it, and its only in certain places.

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I know Idaho uses gravel in rural areas. Not sure in towns.
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Lived in Teton Valley, Idaho and drove Teton Pass everyday to Jackson, WY.

Gravel, sand, and ROCKs -- new windshield every spring.

Can't seal for all of WY, but Jackson area is the same.
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Vermont just use brine as a substitute for snow, there's no snow piles anymore, just mounds of salt. Say goodbye to your frame, your axles, and your happiness.
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Virginia uses it when it's 55 degrees outside because someone forgot to tell the chimps at VDOT that water doesn't freeze above 32 degrees. My favorite is when it's 70 one day (which heats up the ground and acts as a passive heat sink), and then it drops to the mid-30s (air temp) overnight and they think they need to salt the roads. Went through this all last winter....and it never snowed. Not once. Complete morons.
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Virginia uses it when it's 55 degrees outside because someone forgot to tell the chimps at VDOT that water doesn't freeze above 32 degrees. My favorite is when it's 70 one day (which heats up the ground and acts as a passive heat sink), and then it drops to the mid-30s (air temp) overnight and they think they need to salt the roads. Went through this all last winter....and it never snowed. Not once. Complete morons.

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Virginia uses it when it's 55 degrees outside because someone forgot to tell the chimps at VDOT that water doesn't freeze above 32 degrees. My favorite is when it's 70 one day (which heats up the ground and acts as a passive heat sink), and then it drops to the mid-30s (air temp) overnight and they think they need to salt the roads. Went through this all last winter....and it never snowed. Not once. Complete morons.
Don't blame them...if they don't use the money designated in their contracts then the state may actually start paying attention to allocations and lower it which is just bad for business!
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Virginia uses it when it's 55 degrees outside because someone forgot to tell the chimps at VDOT that water doesn't freeze above 32 degrees. My favorite is when it's 70 one day (which heats up the ground and acts as a passive heat sink), and then it drops to the mid-30s (air temp) overnight and they think they need to salt the roads. Went through this all last winter....and it never snowed. Not once. Complete morons.
Bumping this thread because I'm enraged over the fact that I worked on the truck, with the garage open, in a tshirt all day...and was comfortable. Yet....Virginia saw the need to lay down an insane amount of pretreatment/brine today. I just about shat in my knickers as I was racing to finish winterizing my rides to prepare them for their winter slumber. I hope whoever runs VDOT has a nice, warm place awaiting them in hell. M'er F'ers!
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Lav - I saw them soaking the roads in brine today, too. I know it is supposed to turn colder on Thursday but I was still scratching my head.

I just keep telling myself - "Relax, I have a galvanized frame on the way"
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Lav - I saw them soaking the roads in brine today, too. I know it is supposed to turn colder on Thursday but I was still scratching my head.

I just keep telling myself - "Relax, I have a galvanized frame on the way"
Zero precip until maybe Saturday...it's focking TUESDAY! I was in a t-shirt. I hate V-DOT, makes me want to watch Fight Club.
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FYI... the application of brine (23.7% NaCl to water) in the run up to a weather event will help prevent the formation of black ice and also act as a debonding agent for compact snow during the event. Brine works down to -6C, below that mag chloride may be used and if it's too cold for that just an abrasive to aid traction.

We also use brine or salt to burn off slush after a weather event, then an abrasive to dry the road out, all depends what the spec's of the maintenance contract require.

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FYI... the application of brine (23.7% NaCl to water) in the run up to a weather event will help prevent the formation of black ice and also act as a debonding agent for compact snow during the event. Brine works down to -6C, below that mag chloride may be used and if it's too cold for that just an abrasive to aid traction.

We also use brine or salt to burn off slush after a weather event, then an abrasive to dry the road out, all depends what the spec's of the maintenance contract require.

Pic of one of our trucks out working on the highway.
Right, and you live in Canada ....my point is that it's tshirt weather here, zero precipitation on the horizon for at least 5-days....and even then, it's a tiny bit of rain (Saturday) and by midday will be almost 50-degrees. So...why the F are these idiots out blasting brine everywhere? NoVa just loves churning up their budget, polluting the Potomac River, and melting classic cars into rust.

There's zero real-world justification for them to be out doing what they are doing. If this was upstate-NY I'd get it, they'd be justified....but I'll be in a t-shirt in Virginia all week with possibly the exception of Thursday. With no rain, snow, or anything of significance on the horizon why are they going bananas with this stuff?
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Missouri uses pretty much everything including loads of salt. I work for a city in St. Louis County and they put 3 different products on the road. In my travels through rural New Mexico, I have not seen salt used at all.
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I didn't think Oregon salts the roads, but there are liquid lines on the roads. The ODOT website says its magnesium chloride.
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