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Old March 11th, 2016, 02:46 PM
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My ROW 90 Hardtop is looking to go topless.

Have three avenues as best I can tell:

OPTION 1 Full SD cage $$$


Plus top, spendy as all hell, likely cost at least $5k

OPTION 2 Heavy Duty Hoop Set $$


Less spendy (less protection) and the tops are less expensive as well

OPTION 3 Good Old Canvas Hoop Set $


Obviously almost zero protection for people in the vehicle (I realize that Option B isn't going to prevent the Defender from become a tin can but it at least has some substance). These can be picked up readily and for short money.

I realize I would need a half door for the rear in all configurations, they seem to be readily available.

Besides cost considerations, has anyone done it to a ROW and wished they had gone another route?
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Old March 11th, 2016, 02:51 PM
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I like option 1

As for protection... Option 2 and 3 will not do anything to the driver/front passenger.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 02:56 PM
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I like option 1

As for protection... Option 2 and 3 will not do anything to the driver/front passenger.
You don't think option 2 might provide some protection with a bar near the driver/passenger head?
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Old March 11th, 2016, 02:59 PM
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The heavy duty hoop set is not tied in to the frame. The first option is a traditional bolt in cage, with 6 extensions to the chassis.

Do option 1. Higher resale as well.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 03:11 PM
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You don't think option 2 might provide some protection with a bar near the driver/passenger head?
I don't work at IIHS ... But...

The B hoop is tied to the frame. The rear one it's just bolted to the capping.

They provide some safety because they do tie in the frame. But unless it catastrophic accident (roll over) you have some protection.

I drove the Series IIA and never felt unsafe... driving at 50 MPH you can manage. Charles drives his every day (or at least he did) and he even runs topless.

Here's the link from SD... Land Rover 90 Ninety Soft Top | Safety Devices – Experts In Automotive Safety Solutions

And the Canvas

90 XS PREMIUM HOOD, EXT249-XS - Exmoor Trim USA

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The heavy duty hoop set is not tied in to the frame. The first option is a traditional bolt in cage, with 6 extensions to the chassis.

Do option 1. Higher resale as well.
If it's the one from SD it does...
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Old March 11th, 2016, 03:30 PM
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I think for a 90 - option 1 would get the most resale as it looks closest to a NAS 90.

I have a P&P that is a lot like the 2nd one but for a 110 3 door. The rear ties into the frame but I had to make a piece to do so. For me I like the "stock" exterior look with the exterior cage on the 110. For some reason the 90 looks better with the tubing above the vents and doors at least to me. Eventually I will fabricate an interior cage that will tie into the P&P and take care of front seat protection.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 03:30 PM
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I don't work at IIHS ... But...

The B hoop is tied to the frame. The rear one it's just bolted to the capping.

They provide some safety because they do tie in the frame. But unless it catastrophic accident (roll over) you have some protection.

The Perentie 110's have certified ROPS (in AUS) and they are not tied into the frame at all, I do not feel they will provide as much protection as the tied in style, but I do believe they will save the occupants in a rollover, not so much the truck.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 12:36 AM
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Personally, I would only consider option 1. I'd put a full cage on a ROW no matter what body configuration it was, soft top or not.

------ Follow up post added March 11th, 2016 09:44 PM ------

Make it more complete with a rear bulkhead removal bar and underbody brace too.

Bulkhead removal bar kit

STAY LOWER ROLL CAGE DEFENDER, PLQ659 - Rovers North - Classic Land Rover Parts
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Old March 12th, 2016, 12:54 AM
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Option 1. No doubt. It would be worth your peace of mind. I'll be doing this exact same thing when I build a clone of my NAS ST out of a Row. I had originally wanted Urban Off-road to do another oval pipe roll cage to mimic the look and size of the NAS ST trucks. The one he had already done looked killer. I hope to convince him one day. Pic below.

Even at $6k, if you drive the truck someplace twice a day (which I do), figure 4 legs/day at $1 per ignition (a small premium for REAL safety), it would pay for itself in 4 years. Justification math for thought.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 01:56 AM
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Option 4
Full external roll cage with hoop set.

Mine was converted stateside to a soft top with a heavy duty hoop set. It might provide a little extra protection, but not much. I think it is false security at best. A cage integrated with chassis is money well spent.

Full external roll cage will work with any configuration you want. Perhaps making resale even better. I can do soft top, hard top, half cab, bikini and I also did a custom tonneau for the pickup bed. I like the versatility of the full external cage.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 06:55 AM
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I gotta agree with the sentiment about something more substantial than #2 or #3. #2 affords a solid mounting point for 3-point belts, but little else. #1 and #4 give you a shot if things go awry.

I can recall a couple of relatively slow speed incidents that would turn a Defender turtle. As a daily driver, I'd especially want the peace of mind and protection. This is what happened last week on a nearby hill - and although most of us don't run our Defenders in the salt-laden winters of Vermont - I think you can get my point that it doesn't take a high speed or off-road incident to justify #1 or #4:

Hinesburg police chief slides off icy road, overturns | Local News - WPTZ Home
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Old March 12th, 2016, 07:20 AM
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The heavy duty internal cages have the b pillar too close to your head imo. With even a minor side impact I would rather have no cage at all than an exposed steel cage that will crack your skull like an egg. This is also the reason that the NAS cages look the way they do.

NAS cages come up for sale every now and then.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 08:28 AM
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Option 4. I have a Full soft top NAS cage and Canvas For Sale in excellent like new condition.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 09:40 AM
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The ultimate would be the SVX cage. IMO the thicker diameter cage has more substance visually and is safety proven by JRL. And its cool as hell!
The SVX cage is only available or can be ordered from Land Rover if you have an SVX. I DO have 2 SVX genuine cages for sale. With brand new Soft tops in the box unopened. To purchase one from Land rover is over £5K. Thats if you have a membership in the SVX club.

The PP cage and the Safety Device knock off cage is not the same thing. I have them as well. They are not complete, nor are they the same wall thickness. The genuine are thicker wall steel. The knock offs are front hoops only. So do not be confused thinking they are the same.

For those interested
The price - NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. For the The Exclusivity club! I will sell one with a PUMA new tub to fit it.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 09:50 AM
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I have option #2
I compromised because I switch out depending on the season, and #2 offers "some protection" + seat belts attachments for kids.
If you are permanently going to soft I would go option#1.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 10:09 AM
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Or just use the basic hood sticks to utilize the cheap soft top, and so you can put a hard top on it without losing the protection and have a cage built that fits underneath it, like on Rob's series:probably the cheapest solution to get to "safe" level for hardtop and soft top configurations. Btw this truck was rolled before it had a rollcage.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 11:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of the Alaska off-road guy, Jason Beard's 90 with a soft top UNDER an SD style full external cage designed for a hardtop or station wagon.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 05:32 PM
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Went ahead and bought a NAS cage; thanks for the feedback. My hard top is available for sale; it's a feeler thread until I take it off; I suspect in the next 3 weeks
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Congrats! It'll look awesome.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 06:57 PM
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Congrats! It'll look awesome.
And you'll be happier knowing you went with the up-rated level of safety. Congrats!
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