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I don't think he knows it's his signature. This would be cool to own, and could potentiall save a ton of money. Instead of buying a car or truck for every day of the week, you could own this and call it something different each time.
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there is no more www.redmountainROVER.com - i am sure he got a letter like everyone else its: www.rmr4x4.com

not sure why people are busting his balls. it is what it is. who cares unless you are planning on buying. in that event, pick up the phone and call him, he wont bite. i would get more hung up on the RHD than what it is titled as.

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d90 boy, this post is the only thing that got me to comment.

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Geez!! I'm glad I'm not easily offended!! FYI, the car is titled as a 2006 Santana and was brought in the country by an "adult film producer" Also, it has more horsepower than a 300tdi and a puma so whenever u wanna race let me know. Thanks for all the interesting comments TWATS!!!
He has it listed everywhere as a 1980, but here he says it's titled as a 2006. A potential buyer could be out $30,000 if they get stopped and the vehicle is forfeited. Unfortunately the person who loses out is the one who purchases a vehicle like this thinking it actually is a 1980.
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hi andy - sorry for being slightly harsh on you.... if anyone that is going to buy it really thinks it is a 1980 - they have a lot more problems. =)

scott - you have 20 post and after 5 minutes of acting like horsey all but 4 or 5 post have something to do with "legal" trucks and your smart ass expertise. i dont own it, i have never looked at the documents. i would not buy it. i would not put it on the web. thanks for the number i never knew it. are you thinking of buying it? i have a santana here maybe you should call now.
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Like I said, if u got any questions call me. The only reason it's listed on my website as an 80 model is because eBay doesn't recognize the vin. If someone inquired about purchasing the vehicle they would know its a 2006 titled as a 2006. I love how u guys bump ur gums about things u know nothing about. Ur probably the same guys that see a defender on a car lot and stop just to tell a random salesman how much u know about them knowing u have no intention of buying the car no matter what the price or the story. If u could read, u would see that it says 2006 in the eBay listing header.
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Like I said, if u got any questions call me. The only reason it's listed on my website as an 80 model is because eBay doesn't recognize the vin. If someone inquired about purchasing the vehicle they would know its a 2006 titled as a 2006. I love how u guys bump ur gums about things u know nothing about. Ur probably the same guys that see a defender on a car lot and stop just to tell a random salesman how much u know about them knowing u have no intention of buying the car no matter what the price or the story. If u could read, u would see that it says 2006 in the eBay listing header.
RMR would do well to have someone else handle the message boards, it's pretty clear Tim gets his feelers hurt a bit too easily.
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Let me know when you have it in your show room as I would like to call 1-800-832-5660 and report the location of the vehicle and check legality of the importation.

wow. just wow. so you are that guy.



Tim, Your ad says its a 1980 Land rover 110 3 times or more. I for one read that to be how its titled. Titled as what it is would be a good comment to make in the ad.
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I know nothing about santanas but being its leaf sprung does it make it early or did they put leafs on these that late?

Just trying to learn what these are all about, BTW its kinda ugly!

All Santana's are leaf sprung!
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If you mean:
-wanting an honest seller
-truthful advertising
-not taking advantage of an unknowing purchaser
-accurate description of item sold

Then yes I am "that guy". These guys trying to sell "early eighty's" Defender that are Puma or Santana are nothing more than modern day Snake Oil Sales Men/Women. There was a time they were run out of town or in this case a community for the miss deeds/dishonesty they did to others. But it seems complacency has taken hold and as long as it doesn't happen to yourself or someone you care about then who cares. I wasn't raised that way--why make a dishonest person's life easy, sooner or later someone you know will be taken advantage of no mater how hard you try. Better to keep them running and not have the opportunity to take advantage of anyone whether you know the person or not.
I guess if you are interested in the truck, calling and asking for a copy of the California title showing its titled as a 2006 Santana, as represented, would be a good way to proceed. Working your self up and threatening someone over the internet over an ebay listing seems like poor form. The guy is guilty of using Land Rover 110 to get someone searching those on ebay to look @ his auction. Thats done hundreds of thousands of times daily. Not sure I comprefhend how he's guilty of your accusations. Maybe you have some prior experience or knowledge with RMR the rest of us don't ?
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Old March 5th, 2012, 01:48 AM
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Unfortunately 130TDI it is not that simple. A "Title" is merely a state's recognition of legal ownership of the listed property, has nothing to do with the legal importation of the vehicle. There are several states that if one was so inclined they could get a title for a riding law mower. On a vehicle that doesn't fall under the 25 year rule then you need copy of federal documents supporting the use of the vehicle on US roads. A lot of new overseas vehicles can be imported for "off road use only" but that is a whole other ball game. In the instance of this Santana depending on which add you believed, if it was brought into the country under its 2006 VIN then you could contact the DOT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and request a copy of the bond release stating the vehicle was brought up to current safety standards and is legal to be driven on US roadways. This vehicle should have been brought into the US using a registered importer and there should be some sort of identification markings on the vehicle stating such. If not then someone brought it into the USA under a false VIN, found an easy state to deal with had a title issued with the actual VIN and make of the vehicle and raised the price substantially hoping to hook an unsuspecting buyer. If this vehicle was being listed for "off road use only" I would have no issue with it, but it is being listed incorrectly and thus the vagueness in how it is being advertised on the internet.
Really ? I dare say I'm probably galatically more experienced both in the letter of the law and in its actual pratical daily enforcement than yourself. I am intimately familiar with current titling prceedures in most all sates. I import vehicles daily and have for quite some time, but the law and your interpretation of it has absolutely nothing to do with my taking exception to your rant.

Again the seller is selling a vehicle that was bought for resale. He didn't import it or title it. He has the pertinent details and has encouraged interested parties to call. Your response was that you are going to sick the gman on him and a slew of accusations/innuendo. I asked what your basis for slandering his business was ? Do you know this to be an illegal vehicle or are you totally out of line with your comments ? Libel ?

For your information the "off road use only" import loop hole cannot be used for a vehicle that was
originally manufactured for on road use, so your assertions there are incorrect.

As I said above, any consumer interested in a 2006 Santana should get in touch with dot and check out the VIN.
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Based on this VIN (VSFPSW20V00102628) also seen in the photo below this truck was not imported under this VIN as a 2006 Santana or in fact imported under this VIN. Wonder what it was truly imported as?!
Why would you title it as a 2006 unless you brought it in as a 2006? Where the hell would you get a 2006 identity in the USA unless you brought it in that way? Especially a 2006 Santana identity. Ca is a hard state to title a car in so if it had a ca title as a 2006 it had to have the appropriate paperwork. I talked to the owner when it was in ca and he said he had a 2006 defender for sale with a ca 2006 title. When I asked for pics I saw it was a Santana. Not sure why he didn't lead with that.
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I talked to the owner when it was in ca and he said he had a 2006 defender for sale with a ca 2006 title. When I asked for pics I saw it was a Santana. Not sure why he didn't lead with that.
You talked to the porn guy?
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All he said was he was a film maker. Sadly he never mentioned the porn part.
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Some light reading:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/fo...9/crm01366.htm




Trafficking in Certain Motor Vehicles or Motor Vehicle Parts

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Section 2321 of Title 18 makes it an offense to deal in motor vehicles or motor vehicle components knowing that the identification numbers have been falsified or removed. The term "identification number" is identical to the definition in 18 U.S.C. 511.
There is no need to prove that such vehicles or parts have been transported in interstate or foreign commerce. Neither 18 U.S.C. 2321 nor 511 cover the simple possession of a vehicle or component with a falsified or removed identification number. Section 511 is limited to the person who removes or falsifies the identification number or who aids or abets such conduct. Section 2321 covers the trafficker in such vehicles or components, not a mere possessor. The component parts covered by 18 U.S.C. 2321 are identical to those covered by 18 U.S.C. 511. See this Manual at 1375
Section 2321 of Title 18 should be of assistance in dealing with the various salvage switch schemes (sometimes referred to as "VIN switching," "retagging" or "replating") where the VIN of a salvage motor vehicle and its "papers" (i.e., title) are transferred to a stolen motor vehicle of the same make and model. In executing this motor vehicle theft scheme, the defendant purchases or acquires a salvage vehicle at an insurance auction. He then steals or has stolen a vehicle of similar make and model year and then transfers the VIN of the salvage vehicle to the stolen vehicle. He then disposes of the stolen vehicle under its new identity. Because passenger cars from model year 1970 to date have been required by the Department of Transportation (DOT) to have VIN plates, 18 U.S.C. 2321 would apply to any passenger car VIN switch occurring after the date of enactment (October 25, 1984). However, since the DOT component parts marking program began with model year 1987, violations of 18 U.S.C. 2321, based on altered, removed, or obliterated parts identification numbers, could not occur until after introduction of the 1987 model year limits. The VINs of most other road vehicles are covered from model years 1981 to date. See this Manual at 1374 (Effective Date).
For a discussion of proving violations of 18 U.S.C. 2321, see this Manual at 1376. [cited in USAM 9-61.700]

Vin plate looks to be authentic and unfettered so I'm not sure what the point of this post would be. Obviously the vin plate picture was posted to prove authenticity, not hide it as implied. Dot having no record of the vin entering would be the issue.
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Ca is a hard state to title a car in so if it had a ca title as a 2006 it had to have the appropriate paperwork. I talked to the owner when it was in ca and he said he had a 2006 defender for sale with a ca 2006 title. When I asked for pics I saw it was a Santana. Not sure why he didn't lead with that.
Cali has a limited number of [and I will get the name wrong] registrations for basically what amounts to "other" that are handed out each year. Ariel Atoms etc. can be titled like this. I am not sure that is how this one was done, but it would not suprise me if that is what happened.

Like Doug said, you can title anything in a lot of states: PA for example, I looked at a lotus 7 replica that was titled as a 2007 Lotus. Alabama, Maine, New Hampshire, Oregon and other I am missing have some very easy laws and will title pretty much anything you want as whatever you want it as if you can point to a VIN plate.
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Aside from the legalities of this truck, it should be pointed out that new or used the Santana PS10 is/was a piece of shit. Yes, it has some improvements on the Defender design, but the build quality and finish was woefully bad. Bits of the car would literally fall off in your hands. It's no wonder Iveco put a bullet to its head.
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Worse than the LR factory? Wow, then that is saying something. Id still like to see one in person.

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I don't even understand that question/statement. the land rovers I have owned over the years have been great. Especially the build quality and materials used. sure the panel gaps may be a bit off, but the robustness of the Land Rover can't be beat.
And yes I have owned toyota landcruisers and found the Land Rover to be superior. how else could most of us be driving Land Rovers that are at least 15 years old and still going strong.
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I don't even understand that question/statement. the land rovers I have owned over the years have been great. Especially the build quality and materials used. sure the panel gaps may be a bit off, but the robustness of the Land Rover can't be beat.
And yes I have owned toyota landcruisers and found the Land Rover to be superior. how else could most of us be driving Land Rovers that are at least 15 years old and still going strong.
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May I submit Exhibit A...from Land Rover owners, about Land Rovers:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ght=land+rover
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Ha ha! Old news to most of you guys but that thread has had me in stitches for a good half an hour and I still haven't finished reading all the posts.

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