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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:21 AM
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Just got word another known rover shop in NC also was hit had all the proper documentation for vehicles but were confiscated anyway.... There seems to be a whistle blower
Maybe the same group of lawyers that lead the charge to change all the small shops' use of "Rover". You do not want these old Defenders tarnishing the image of the new RR or RRS and the Land Rover name, do you?
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Maybe the same group of lawyers that lead the charge to change all the small shops' use of "Rover". You do not want these old Defenders tarnishing the image of the new RR or RRS and the Land Rover name, do you?
unfortunate but 90% of new RR RRS LR3 Evo owners will park next to you, drive by you and have no clue what your defender is and not care anyway. By tarnish do you mean rust? Ha Ha.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:29 AM
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Thanks Chad. My wife is in Wilmington right now, and will call the customs office in the morning to get some answers. She already wrote an email to WECT to give them more info for their news story. Im so pissed right now that this is happening and Im on the other side of the planet. Really Im still in shock right now and am not quite sure what to do. I hope the trucks havent already been taken to the DHS office in Raleigh.

The NAS style rear bumper that CDeWan just had fabricated for me is currently en route to GB4x4 as well. I dont know if anyone will even be there to receive it.

This may turn into a giant fiasco. A giant, and expensive fiasco.

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Think they will have a problem with the fact that its a 300tdi and that Sals is now a D1?
Very well could be...I'd get a lawyer involved. Did you buy the truck thru him with the 300tdi in when it was imported or install it after it got here?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:31 AM
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Im not sure I follow. There are people doing far worse things in the automotive community than "rebuilding" Land Rovers.
Agree - plus Land Rover guys will use Land Rover parts almost to a fault. I think the worst I have seen is some people putting in 4BTs. Adding discs to a Sals rear end, replacing a snotty chassis with a galvy one, going from RHD to LHD, adding seatbelts and better seats/interior seem like way safer upgrades.

You have to ask - who stands to make some money out of this witch hunt?

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Hey guys,

So I wake up this morning in Iraq, go into work, and see that my wife emailed me the link to the local news story that ran in Wilmington. What do I see?? MY red 110 on the back of a flatbed truck being taken away by the feds. I had been having some work done to it by Aaron and his guys, so it was sitting on his lot with the rest of his trucks.

I come home on R&R in two weeks, and I wont likely have my truck available to me like I was expecting. WTF!?!?
BTW - Red - hope things get cleared up for you and you get your truck back. Definitely get a lawyer just to make sure.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:34 AM
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Agree - plus Land Rover guys will use Land Rover parts almost to a fault. I think the worst I have seen is some people putting in 4BTs. Adding discs to a Sals rear end, replacing a snotty chassis with a galvy one, going from RHD to LHD, adding seatbelts and better seats/interior seem like way safer upgrades.

You have to ask - who stands to make some money out of this witch hunt?

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BTW - Red - hope things get cleared up for you and you get your truck back. Definitely get a lawyer just to make sure.
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Very well could be...I'd get a lawyer involved. Did you buy the truck thru him with the 300tdi in when it was imported or install it after it got here?

The truck had the 300 in it when I bought it from the used car lot in town that he sells through.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:36 AM
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unfortunate but 90% of new RR RRS LR3 Evo owners will park next to you, drive by you and have no clue what your defender is and not care anyway. By tarnish do you mean rust? Ha Ha.
Haha - so true. But then again why would LRNA care about a few small shops carrying parts for those old rigs and just using part of their name in?
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:39 AM
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Maybe the same group of lawyers that lead the charge to change all the small shops' use of "Rover". You do not want these old Defenders tarnishing the image of the new RR or RRS and the Land Rover name, do you?
Kinda late for that...ya think?
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None of you know what happened or why. It does make for lively conversation tho...
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:50 AM
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The truck had the 300 in it when I bought it from the used car lot in town that he sells through.
So he imported it? Lawyer up, and get the facts straight from the DHS/CBP. They can dig to see if the paperwork is correct and if it came in with a 300tdi, that could be a issue....

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None of you know what happened or why. It does make for lively conversation tho...
Its obvious what happened, the why is what's not clear...
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Just a bit of sage advice. This is an internet forum and is followed by others than just we enthusiasts. One of the vendors on this site is known to have dropped a dime on most of the other vendors on the site especially those involved with imports and is largely behind recent events. Posting things like "I have a 300 tdi engine"....
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Old March 27th, 2013, 10:09 AM
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I have known Aaron for years, he is a good guy and I hate to hear about this happening.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 10:19 AM
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I'm too hung over to read all of the comments, but Aaron has been the go-to guy for years now for people looking to get into Defenders on the cheap. All of the trucks I've seen from him have smelled and looked like 25+ year old trucks with some newer paint and fun stickers. He's upped his game to nicer builds in the past year or two, and I have a feeling it's one or two of those nicer trucks that has the fed's panties in a bundle. Hate to see stuff like this happen to one of our own.
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I understand rules are rules but damn, doesn't the government have anything better to do than police up a few Rovers? We have a sieve for a southern border, murders go uninvestigated in Detroit, and we are trillions in debt yet they go after the "hard core" criminal who would dare make a mockery of the 25 year rule? Heaven forbid we focus our combat power on the crap that actually matters......
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Just a bit of sage advice. This is an internet forum and is followed by others than just we enthusiasts. One of the vendors on this site is known to have dropped a dime on most of the other vendors on the site especially those involved with imports and is largely behind recent events. Posting things like "I have a 300 tdi engine"....
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I think the worst I have seen is some people putting in 4BTs
HEY! Easy there sport I'm pretty fond of my 4BT
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Old March 27th, 2013, 10:49 AM
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I am just finding out this morning about what is going on. Like the rest of you, I'm not sure what charges are being pressed against Aaron. But, I must say that I have to agree with Ian with regards to the import question, at least from the US Federal standpoint. With all the legal discussion going back and forth, for what it's worth, I thought I might direct you all to my earlier post in a separate thread. I hope it may shed some light on what might be happening:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...9&postcount=46

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"There are two separate violations that happen, 1) FMVSS, & 2) EPA.

First, see below:

"Title 49 United States Code

Chapter 301 Motor Vehicle Safety (FMVSS)

Sec. 30165. Civil penalty
PENALTY A person that violates any of sections 30112, 30115, 30117-30122, 30123(d), 30125(c), 30127, 30141-30147, or 30166 of this title or a regulation prescribed under any of those sections is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 for each violation. A separate violation occurs for each motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment and for each failure or refusal to allow or perform an act required by any of those sections. The maximum penalty under this subsection for a related series of violations is $800,000."

So, read as each non-compliant component of the vehicle is or may be considered a separate violation. Add-up all of the non-compliant components on an imported vehicle not entering the US under an exemption (e.g., 25 year rule), and your tab will be considerably more than $1K.

Also, when EPA or CBP (I.e., US Customs and Border Protection) determines that imported motor vehicles do not meet the EPA emissions certification requirements, CBP detains or seizes the motor vehicles. EPA then contacts the importer to address the Clean Air Act violations. The statutory maximum penalty under the Act is $32,500 for each illegal motor vehicle, although penalties may be reduced for first-time violators and for importers who disclose and remedy the violation and all prior violations. CBP or EPA may also initiate a criminal action against an importer who knowingly makes false or fraudulent statements, or who omits material information required in CBP entry documents. Persons who commit these crimes are subject to a fine of up to $250,000 or imprisonment for up to two years, or both (I.e., it's a felony)(see 42 U.S.C. 7413(c)(2)).

And importing a PUMA as a late '80's model Defender doesn't cut it either, because the 25 year exemption rule only applies to components originally manufactured for that particular model year in that particular vehicle. PUMA's were not being installed in those model years, so a late '80's model Defender with a PUMA fitted, is just as illegal as if it were being imported as a 2013 Defender (which as we all know, it probably is). And by calling it something other than what it is, you are back to committing a felony.

So, it goes without saying, illegally importing a non-compliant motor vehicle is no joke. The truth is that there are some hefty consequences that can be levied against you should you decide to "take your chances". Let me be clear, I'm not casting judgment on anyone. I'm just merely stating what the law is."

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Old March 27th, 2013, 11:04 AM
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My 2 cents on this. If the Feds are wanting to go MotoreX on the US Defender community, then this site is their laundry list and we've done their homework for them. If you have any ROW type truck that has come through the ports in any configuration they deem to be less than "original" when it came in even if it's their own fault for lack of doing their own homework at the ports, and it's documented on this site or another then I would probably consider yourself in the cross hairs. They will seize now, ask questions later, and unless you have the funds and will to fight, you won't get your truck back. Just ask any of the former Skyline owners who purchased their vehicles through what they thought were legal means and are now out a vehicle, a lot of cash, and have paid some hefty fines. I really would like to be wrong in my assertion, but if the truck is grey in anyway and there can be some sort of documented proof shown, I'd be concerned.

Now what would be smart, is for the vehicle communities, Rover, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, VW, etc... to join forces and begin petitioning for changes in the import laws through some body like the SEMA action network.
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