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Old November 24th, 2008, 03:45 PM
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Hmmm, temping. I already have a design in my brain, so it should only take a day or two. Can you ask?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:26 PM
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If you do an internal cage where do you put the leg for the L and R front?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:37 PM
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Need camel-style internal/external...
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:41 PM
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didn't most (all?) Camel Trophy 110s have an internal cage fitted? I've seen one in person. Seems like there must be plans out there for an internal cage based on Camel Trophy 110 specs . . .

edit: Jim beat me to it . .
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Jim is right. The CT110s have a Safety Devices internal/external cage because there is no room in the footwells for a tube.
I did an internal cage on ECR4 and there was no room for the front tube and being able to enter and exit the truck with any ease. We ended up adding strength to the bulkhead, but it wasn't the best and I don't suggest it.

I also went back to the drawing board on the cage because an external cage was better for off roading (IMO) I rather rub the cage than dent the roof.

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The other thing to consider is that the bends on a SD cage are much tighter than the dies that most folks will have with a bender. So you can make something close, but to make it exact you will need custom (or damn hard to find) dies, otherwise the radius will be too wide (or too open depending on how you look at it).
We had to have custom dies made for our equipment to match it exactly.

Other cage snobs will argue (and rightfully so) that the SD cages bends are too tight and weaken the tubing because they actual dent the tube to get that tight a radius. They'd be right.

All depends on what you are shooting for, but don't expect to make an exact copy with ease.
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Looking at my D90 there is plenty of room in the footwell, but then I am a little guy! Looks like it would be easy to tie in to the front outrigger as well.
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That CT110 is godly porn.
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Attached is my idea for a cage, seems easy enough. Sort of a CT hybrid, curves not too tight.

On another note I am looking at buying an NAS SW cage and only need the A hoop section if you are interested in the rest maybe we could go in on it together.

Other ideas for you: http://www.safetydevices.com/index.p...d=65&Itemid=63
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Looking at my D90 there is plenty of room in the footwell

Yeah... OK...
Go mock up a piece of 2" pipe or something in there past all the controls so you can still use them and then try to get in and out of it. It sux. Been there, done that... thought it was a great idea until I mocked it up. You must have size 5 feet or something.
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Those safety devices cages for the 110 look like the piece that goes up the sides of the dash/bulkhead are flat. Not ideal but better than nothing right?

No I don't think this is easy, and 2 days sounds optimistic. Maybe 2 days to get all the bends done (with at least 2 people) and another day or two to finish it up.
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Yeah... OK...
Go mock up a piece of 2" pipe or something in there past all the controls so you can still use them and then try to get in and out of it. It sux. Been there, done that... thought it was a great idea until I mocked it up. You must have size 5 feet or something.
Uh, I did mock up 2" pipe. Wrap the bar around the front of the dash and come down parallel with the vertical door seam. It cuts the door opening from 14" to 12". You just need some perfect bends to make it happen. It's not impossible and I have seen plenty of Rovers with front interior cages.

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Those safety devices cages for the 110 look like the piece that goes up the sides of the dash/bulkhead are flat. Not ideal but better than nothing right?

No I don't think this is easy, and 2 days sounds optimistic. Maybe 2 days to get all the bends done (with at least 2 people) and another day or two to finish it up.
Charles, you under estimate my skeeels.
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Charles, you under estimate my skeeels.
Hey, please prove me wrong! If you took detailed measurements and did an accurate CAD drawing of the cage, and you trust it, then I know you can get the bends done pretty quickly. A friend has software for this, and it tells you exactly where to make each bend from the drawing, even compound ones. You mark them out with tape up front, and the marks are put where you can set them up in the bender consistently. The bender is calibrated (or I guess you figure it out by trial and error) so you bend X degrees past the amount you want and it springs back to the exact bend. I have only done a basic hoop (2 bends) with it, but it came out perfect.

But of course the cage still has to be built, notched, gusseted, and then welded (you want perfect welds on it too), cleaned up and painted. I still stand by this being a big effort. Happy to help you on yours if you beat me to it though.

I have big feet, long arms legs and everything else, so I'd like mine to be as minimally intrusive as possible up front. I could care less about the passengers

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It's not impossible and I have seen plenty of Rovers with front interior cages.
The one's with no doors, no roofs, and 240 ring mounts don't count - you building an RSOV?

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The one's with no doors, no roofs, and 240 ring mounts don't count - you building an RSOV?

Perhaps.... ssshhhh, I don't want Obama to find out!

Charles, I wasn't talking final product out the door in two days, that was two on the bender, notching, and tack welding. The rest we can do at home.
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Oh man he said RSOV!!
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Old November 25th, 2008, 07:09 AM
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I stand corrected, its a 50 cal, not a 240.
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I did one for Tiz's rig some time ago. Mike is right about the tight radius needed to duplicate the Safety Devices look. My die was 6.5 inch radius. If I had to do it again, I'd surely use a 5.5 inch die.

The software I use is Bend-Tech PRO. It really makes the job nice. I copied a frame-dump from the applicaiton to detail a recent build I did on a project truck I'm working on.

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