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Old February 22nd, 2015, 08:36 AM
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I need a fix to provide some heat inside a closet in the craw space of a weekend cabin. The closet houses the main water check-valve which froze last week.

In the closet there is a light fixture. Yesterday I screwed into the light socket an adapter to allow me to plug in a clamp work light. In the work light I installed a 150w light bulb. I also installed another 150w light bulb in the light fixture.

Is this too much to be left unattended when we're not at the cabin?
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 08:43 AM
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Drawing 2.5 amps. Not a concern. However, a single heat lamp directed at the valve would be more effective. Here is a 250w one that draws 2. Heat tape is the best solution. Even available at Walmart.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 08:45 AM
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What about heat tape? I would be worried that a heat lamp or bulb would burn out and things would freeze.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 08:47 AM
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Also if you leave the water dripping slowly it may help as well.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:05 AM
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Are you trying to heat the entire closet space, or just the water lines?

Direct contact heat, such as heat tape, will be more efficient and many of them will cycle on and off as needed so you can set it and forget it.

An incandescent is nearly 80% heat output, so it will keep things warm, but keep in mind that heat rises, so a great source at the ceiling needs to get pretty warm to keep something on the floor warm.

If it were my place, I would swap the fixture for a keyless with a plug
Like this
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-Por...-100357030-_-N
and run the heat tape. May consider pipe insulation over the heat tape also.

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x2 heat tape (best solution). Light bulbs burn out mostly because of cycling the filament on and off. This wouldn't be your issue leaving it on. Also, all the hardware stores carry what's called a thermo cube. If you don't know about it already, they are an outlet block that turn on at 35F and remains in until ambient temps reach 45F. You can plug in a small forced air heater or light, but now we're talking cycles and more risk in the scenario you described. So, heat tape x2.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:17 AM
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Thanks guys! As always, great Brotherly advice. I'm gonna make some changes probably next weekend. This morning I started thinking....shit did I just rig up a fire hazard?
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"Thermo cube" is what I meant to write. Darn spellcheck.
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Clay, I'll be glad to run up to the cabin and check it out during the cold months....just leave a few lift tickets in the closet---


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Second (or third or fourth) on the heat tape. It's what everyone I know with cold pipe problems uses. The lamps might work but are a potential fire hazard not to mention a waste of energy and costly to replace. Are the sockets even rated for that high of a wattage?
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Don't forget you probably have a normal outlet somewhere close to the closet if you need more power!
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I agree with Briggs and others who suggest heat tape. Though I will add, maybe get good quality stuff from a reputable manufacturer (made in USA) and be careful what you find on Amazon because that could be just as hazardous as leaving a space heater on while you're away.

Also, if you're like me when I had a pipe that was prone to freeze in my old house, it was because the pipe was routed too close to the outer sheathing of the exterior wall and you could barely access the pipe, forget about getting heat tape around that backside. That's the tricky part. If all pipes were neatly exposed as in Jeffs image, there'd be no problem, but that's seldom the case. It's always in some remote inaccessible place in a crawl space or wall corner that makes heat tape nearly impossible to apply.

It depends on exactly where the pipe is located. Maybe you can find a spot lower and hope that the heat from the heat tape conducts and rises to the spot that freezes.

Also, hopefully Firemanshort (after he thaws out from the ride home from the Winter Romp) can chime in as to what he's seen as "no-nos" regarding heat tape and other stuff. I bet he has seen it all.
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